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SAT to Add ‘Adversity Score’ That Rates Students’ Hardships

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Re: SAT to Add ‘Adversity Score’ That Rates Students’ Hardships

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Post by tropo »

kaitai wrote: post #594
tropo wrote: post #541

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An example is the federal contracting rules that specifically require that some contracts be awarded to companies that are not run by white males. This of course is gamed. The common case for a small contractor is that a woman is officially running the business but her husband is really doing it. Large contractors subcontract out to these small contractors for no reason other than to fill quotas. It is often make-wor…

How does this hurt the guy running the show?

Consider how things work if nobody games the system. Each contractor is really being operated by the claimed owner/CEO/president. If the best contractors for a government agency's needs all happen to be run by white males but other less-good contractors exist, some of those better choices need to be rejected. The people running them are hurt by not getting the contracts. The government agency is also hurt by not getting to use the best contractors, and of course this hurts the general public due to government waste.

Re: SAT to Add ‘Adversity Score’ That Rates Students’ Hardships

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Post by jessaustin »

mehrdadn wrote: post #624
jessaustin wrote: post #614

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Didn't your public school teach you not to consider Wikipedia a convincing reference for validating political opinions? Maybe you could have used some vouchers...

> Didn't your public school teach you not to consider Wikipedia a convincing reference for validating political opinions? Maybe you could have used some vouchers... I think they were too busy teaching me that randos on the internet disputing Wikipedia's sources are definitely more reliable than Wikipedia.

Haha maybe you should wonder how many Wikipedia editor accounts I maintain. Or maybe reading, you could try that. ITT we're talking about political opinions: vouchers good, vouchers bad. No one with a multiple-digit IQ is going to find such an answer on wikipedia.

Re: SAT to Add ‘Adversity Score’ That Rates Students’ Hardships

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Post by hetman »

While equalising opportunity is a noble endeavour, I fail to see how this particular initiative would achieve that. In short, it's too little too late. If someone struggled through high school because of environmental factors, they're not going to suddenly be on their A-game because they were admitted into university. At the end of the day, we should still expect the highest levels of excellence from our professionals.

If we want to have a real impact we need to be examining the factors contributing to the disadvantage leading up to this point and find a way to address those.

Re: SAT to Add ‘Adversity Score’ That Rates Students’ Hardships

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Post by SlowRobotAhead »

aj7 wrote: post #592
Gibbon1 wrote: post #495

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There is a very strong tribal/identity politics thing going on with both the left and the right in the US. Scares the hell out of me.

Yeah. People with brains should be more united.

>Yeah. People with brains should be more united.

While i don’t disagree on its face. That statement usually means “people should just be on my side”.

As written above; the Overton window has been moving left, and things like not prosecuting female gential mutilation in the US, straight socialism, not settling for anything less than full gun bans, open borders - things that would have got you locked up 50 years ago are being pushed by presidential candidates and congress members.

It’s moved left, and a little too far. So while I agree people with brains should be united, right now many of the balanced beliefs will get you called an alt-right Nazi.

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Post by bloaf »

indrax wrote: post #485
hermitdev wrote: post #455

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It's not an assessment of how well you will do, it's an assessment of how well you are prepared for college. Big difference.

That is incorrect. What would "well prepared" mean here anyway?

Probably something along the lines of: Without accommodation, being able to learn, participate, and demonstrate competency in a series of courses which presume a student's mastery of information presented through secondary education.

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Post by manfredo »

spamizbad wrote: post #563
fiblye wrote: post #530

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Let me preface by saying I disagree with everything you say, but I still think you have the right to say it. Universities are meant to be institutions of learning. Learning isn’t always comfortable. Some long held truths turn out to be wrong at some point. What we all think is true or right right now could completely reverse in a decade. Letting people speak especially when it’s against your morals is important for l…

I generally agree, but here's a concern I have: The student body is going to have its own set of values, some of which may challenge the prevailing norms of society or the university itself. Should a university ignore, nurture, or challenge the views of its students? I feel like, as a student, you should be allowed to pick. Because depending on the issue, or the individual, the answer may change. For example, at one…

> The student body is going to have its own set of values, some of which may challenge the prevailing norms of society or the university itself. Should a university ignore, nurture, or challenge the views of its students? I feel like, as a student, you should be allowed to pick. Because depending on the issue, or the individual, the answer may change.

And what happens when students cease to challenge their own views? They become accustomed to a monoculture and become adverse to views other than their own. In time, the refusal to challenge their own views morphs into hostility towards those that dare challenge those views.

> For example, at one time Gen-Xers and Millennials were significantly more tolerant of homosexuality than society overall (they still are, but society has largely come around). Did universities do them a disservice by either nurturing or ignoring these views, rather than intellectually challenging their pro-gay marriage views?

It did them a service. By being force to challenge these views, these students were prompted to developed effective arguments to refute those challenges. This better equipped them to turn around and challenge the rest of society's views on these topics.

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Post by jimmydddd »

kornsh3ll wrote: post #576
roenxi wrote: post #435

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The Jews actually have a pretty strong family component. In theory they aren't a race but for practical purposes it might as well be a racial stereotype (eg, the classic hook-nose propaganda - clearly a racial stereotype). Anyway, the point was that the culture is what is important. Jewish culture is clearly somewhat different from Christian culture. If you seep a person in a specific culture that will define how the…

> eg, the classic hook-nose propaganda - clearly a racial stereotype Please, do not repeat this filth. It is anti-Semitic nonsense that there is are “Jewish racial characteristics”. Jews come in every shape and skin tone. I know a very nice black man who is an African Immigrant and he is Jewish. There is no Jewish race - Judaism is only a religion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_secularism

Jewish secularism comprises the non-religious ethnic Jewish people and the body of work produced by them. Among secular Jews, traditional Jewish holidays may be celebrated as historical and nature festivals, while life-cycle events, such as births, marriages, and deaths, may be marked in a secular manner.

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Post by wolco »

kornsh3ll wrote: post #576
roenxi wrote: post #435

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The Jews actually have a pretty strong family component. In theory they aren't a race but for practical purposes it might as well be a racial stereotype (eg, the classic hook-nose propaganda - clearly a racial stereotype). Anyway, the point was that the culture is what is important. Jewish culture is clearly somewhat different from Christian culture. If you seep a person in a specific culture that will define how the…

> eg, the classic hook-nose propaganda - clearly a racial stereotype Please, do not repeat this filth. It is anti-Semitic nonsense that there is are “Jewish racial characteristics”. Jews come in every shape and skin tone. I know a very nice black man who is an African Immigrant and he is Jewish. There is no Jewish race - Judaism is only a religion.

Jewish race is a term. Different Jewish tribes/shared genetics is more accurate.

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Post by learc83 »

lenkite wrote: post #602
learc83 wrote: post #591

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Harvard has need based scholarships. These need based scholarships directly reduce the amount of children of wealthy parents who get into Harvard. Are need based scholarships denigrating the hard work of wealthy parents?

Are you truly comparing the scholarship need-based policies of one wealthy, private college to a fundamental change in the Scholastic Assessment Test used nation wide ? You have a choice to apply to Harvard - there is very little choice apart from SAT/ACT for higher education in the states.

Are you avoiding the question? I'll rephrase it. If I give $5k dollars per year for college to every student in America whose parents make under $100k a year, am I denigrating the hard work of the parents who make more than that?

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Post by eyeball »

pishpash wrote: post #603
batbomb wrote: post #376

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What would it subvert? You go to a better school, you get a better education, you are more educated and you get a 34 on the ACT. If you go to a crappy school and you get the same score than there's no qualitative difference between the schools and your parents skipped vacations for nothing. But obviously the OP must believe there was value in the better school otherwise they wouldn't mention it. So they would believe…

So is it okay then to have poorly educated people in college? This incentivizes everyone moving to a negatively rated district and getting a worse education, because it wouldn't matter, according to the logic. That's assuming they calculated their adjustments precisely . And if they didn't, then welcome to all sorts of artificial biases in the system where a few more people appointed themselves to determine the fates…

Asian dad should move the family to a shitty neighborhood and spend the saved money on private tutors. Get boosted scores from the “everyone equal” has hood adjustment on top of already good scores from all the tutoring.
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