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Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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> tune and configure it to work You really don't have to do that. For example: I put Ubuntu Mate on a 2009 Macbook that could not run MacOs anymore (too slow). I had to install a wifi driver, and that was it. Everything else worked out of the box. My current Dell Inspiron 7000 laptop is running the same OS, and needed 0 drivers installed. I put Antergos on an Intel Nuc (that I later switched to Ubuntu Server). Again,…

> You really don't have to do that. Actually you don't have to do that, which is not the same thing at all. I find this one of the oddest moves of those who (for reasons mysterious to me) find OS's worthy of advocacy. When you say to them 'with Linux I find X', their response is "no you don't". Where is the conversation supposed to go from there? I install a couple of distros on every new laptop I buy, and perhaps on…

[ as an aside, I was prompted after writing the above to try again, and added a Fedora 29 partition to play around with. I'm pleasantly surprised by how much immediately works. Early days as yet ]

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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> If the damage is intentional, then the staff member always pays. This comes up more often than you might expect. ? I’m guess the children example you mentioned might be one example of this?

That does happen and it is considered intentional, but, no I meant the staff themselves damaging them. Drawing on them (the screen in particular, which often doesn't come off cleanly), popping the keys off and on until they break, flexing parts of the case (hinge covers) until it breaks, getting angry and hitting the computer and breaking something. Anything you would expect a kid to do we've seen teachers admit to d…

Remarkable! Thanks for sharing.

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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> The touchbar is shit. It really is. Way to go making it impossible to (un)mute and adjust the volume without opening my eyes. And in exchange of what, really? The privilege of losing the physical Esc?

Not to mention the touchid sensor is completely terrible. It never - ever - works for me. I never had this level of problem with touchid on the iPhone ... The new iCloud Keychain password prompt, which shows only touchid with password prompt hidden behind a button is fucking terrible — along with the auto submit behavior after filling out the form - which very often results in extra password required popups. I’m star…

I use TouchID all the time. I think yours is simply broken, to be honest.

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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You can get one of these for really cheap... I use them to type in other languages https://m.aliexpress.com/s/item/32774074005.html

And if you care about mushiness the TPU ones are great compared to the silicone ones. example [1]. Yeah, I don't understand this whole, "my expensive computer isn't bulletproof sentiment". One of the things I was stoked about and ultimately a major factor that won me over when I bought my personal MacBook Pro back in late 2013 was that you could buy a matte screen protector and keyboard cover that fit like a glove. I…

Thanks for the tip, bought it.

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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I still have a 2009 MBP (although was running linux for the last 5 years), I only just upgraded to a Dell XPS 13 this year. Here's the funny thing: the keyboard started to fail after 9 years of use, this is the only thing that pushed me to finally get a PC replacement (new macs are terrible linux machines) - the little rubber domes under the keys just started cracking and breaking apart so some keys feel really squid…

Just do what Apple would do and replace the entire top case. They typically run $30-$50 on eBay for older MBPs. That and a SSD upgrade (if you haven’t done that already) and you will have a functional backup computer again.

I added an SSD over half a decade ago, that's why I was absolutely fine with it's performance (at least after moving to linux and a minimal WM, OS X died for me long ago from bloat)... it's only the human interfaces that started to physically fail.

I know you can pick up spare parts for these but the problem is that they are all as old (they are commonly advertised as new on ebay, but they are not), they are used parts, and it is quite a lot of work to get all the guts out of the top case, only to replace it with a slightly less used components.

The best middle ground I could think of is to selectively replace rubber domes as they fail by cutting out the bits of silicone and gluing in new ones... only needs to pop of one key at a time.

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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A co-worked of mine convinced the company to buy them a MacBook (the first the company has ever purchased) to replace their aging Dell laptop. They have been doing more and more work on the company's iOS app and the aging Mac mini the company had purchased needed to replaced anyway. After having the laptop for just over a year, they called me upset as the laptop would no longer power on. After some gentle interrogati…

Not only are Thinkpad keyboards the most comfortable and satisfying on the market, you can literally pour water on them and it will drain out the bottom of the laptop without ever touching internal components. After using my Thinkpad for about six months, I can't go back. The keyboard is amazing, build quality is rock solid, screen is 4k with 100% RGB, and you can actually upgrade the thing. I buy a laptop because I…

As a Mac and iOS user, I often feel that I'm just putting up with their bad hardware to use their operating system nowadays.

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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It really irritates me how much of a form over function bad laptop the X1 is. Yet Lenovo won't sell stuff like their best screens with say their T-series lineup so you have to make compromises either way.

What are the issues? I love my X1. I had one for work a few years ago and finally bought my own recently. It’s perfect for me. Can’t upgrade the ram, but that’s par for the course on ultraportables.

I dislike the keyboard.

I dislike them ditching the spill proofing.

I dislike the general lack of upgradability/repairability.

I would much rather have the t4xxs form factor with better quality components but you have to go x1.

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Not to mention the touchid sensor is completely terrible. It never - ever - works for me. I never had this level of problem with touchid on the iPhone ... The new iCloud Keychain password prompt, which shows only touchid with password prompt hidden behind a button is fucking terrible — along with the auto submit behavior after filling out the form - which very often results in extra password required popups. I’m star…

I use TouchID all the time. I think yours is simply broken, to be honest.

I have found the TouchID to be similarly unreliable. It's possible thought it's a mixture of different human factors (iPhone TouchID is easier to touch the same way every time) and more immature hardware.

Re: Its butterfly keyboard design has failed, but Apple has yet to admit its mistake

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> The touchbar is shit. It really is. Way to go making it impossible to (un)mute and adjust the volume without opening my eyes. And in exchange of what, really? The privilege of losing the physical Esc?

Not to mention the touchid sensor is completely terrible. It never - ever - works for me. I never had this level of problem with touchid on the iPhone ... The new iCloud Keychain password prompt, which shows only touchid with password prompt hidden behind a button is fucking terrible — along with the auto submit behavior after filling out the form - which very often results in extra password required popups. I’m star…

No problem with touchId on my 2018 MBA. Actually it works with wet fingers better then my 6s.
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