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Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by shawnz » Thu, Apr 11, 2019, 1:48 PM UTC

criley2 wrote: post #594

shawnz wrote: post #525

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Have you considered that Assange's supporters don't think he is pro-fascist or that he hates the US? Why don't you try justifying those points instead of just calling everyone here pro-fascist like it's so obvious?

The truth doesn't require them to believe in it. Their support for Russian Military intellience operations including Wikileaks is support for an authoritaritarian war against Europe and US with the goal of overthrowing our liberal democracies. I understand that the anarcho-hacker types hate all governments and have been tricked through cheap propaganda into thinking Wikileaks is a non-nation-state actor that is on th…

> The truth doesn't require them to believe in it.

Then why are you posting here? Just so you can sit on your high horse knowing that you're right and everyone else is wrong? Or are you actually trying to inform your peers about something that's important to you? Because you are doing a pretty bad job of the latter with your tactless accusatory posts which contain no substantive arguments.

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by DyslexicAtheist » Thu, Apr 11, 2019, 1:48 PM UTC

criley2 wrote: post #547

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #537

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are you calling me a fascist right? I'm neither right nor left and maintain that both camps are equally deluded. I don't hate the US - I want the US to succeed! Very much so! But it's not going to succeed by telling Americans that all is fine and they are doing a great job not considering the mess that they create in the world (since decades). I am obviously upset about the US but it's not out of hate but because of…

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I'm not sure why you keep calling me names and suggesting that I'm a white nationalist. I've married somebody of not my color from the other side of the world, lived among their culture, my kids are mixed, I he lived in different countries ever since I was old enough to leave the country. I hang out with refugee and volunteer for the homeless.

If you misread me this much then I can only assume you're quite isolated in your own bubble and I can only imagine how you behave towards those not sharing your views (neighbours, friends, colleagues, family). Pretty obvious display of how the West is like right now. Scary really.

I suggest you travel the world a little but not by just making pictures but totally remove yourself from all the media exposure and political talk. It has helped me a great deal. Also I suggest reading some Chris Hedges or maybe listening to Noam Chomski?

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by jessaustin » Thu, Apr 11, 2019, 1:48 PM UTC

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #576

antt wrote: post #518

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No one was talking about extradition until an hour ago either. Yet here we are.

nobody talked about him losing his shelter in the embassy until Goldman Sachs puppet Moreno came into power, yet here we are. sorry I don't see your point.

I think you're arguing the same "side"? GP was just referring to centrists' embarrassing goalpost relocation.

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by mc32 » Thu, Apr 11, 2019, 1:48 PM UTC

Mvandenbergh wrote: post #91

It will be interesting to see if the US tries to extradite him. It's actually not 100% clear that he's broken any US laws in any ways that they aren't also routinely broken by newspapers. There's a few avenues: 1) Publishing classified information. Easy to show that he did this but a very difficult path to go down when American newspapers do this all the time. 2) Conspiracy to commit espionage. Probably the most like…

Looks like the indictment is conspiracy with Manning. Manning was pardoned[1] by the Obama admin. Does that have any bearing on Assange’s case?

[1] I’ve been corrected; her sentence was commuted.

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by idlewords » Thu, Apr 11, 2019, 1:48 PM UTC

This thread is all over the map with speculation. There is a press release from the Department of Justice that lays out what Assange is being extradited for, and it may help to read it first.

Apparently Assange helped Manning try to get into a classified computer system with a password that was not hers, and that is the basis of the extradition case: https://www.justice.gov/usao-edva/pr/wikileaks-founder-charg...

Related HN thread here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19634137

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by yread » Thu, Apr 11, 2019, 1:49 PM UTC

belorn wrote: post #487

I would like to locate all HN comments which said he never would get arrested on behalf of the US, and that Assange objections was all just pretense for trying to escape justice from the UK/Swedish legal system.

Exactly, note that he entered the embassy on 19th june 2012 and the warrant was at court on 29th just 10 days after.

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by cedivad » Thu, Apr 11, 2019, 1:49 PM UTC

citilife wrote: post #575

I still don't understand how he is subject to U.S. rule of law if he: a) Isn't a U.S. citizen b) Not residing in the U.S.

Last time I pointed that out on an unrelated article around here all I got were downvotes. Let's say you and I have the same mislead views on what is right. And all of this makes me sad.

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Post by Salamat » Thu, Apr 11, 2019, 1:50 PM UTC

envy2 wrote: post #506

Salamat wrote: post #481

Any possible relation to the arrest of Assange? IMF board approves $4.2 bln financing deal with Ecuador March 11 (Reuters) - The International Monetary Fund’s executive board approved the $4.2 billion financing deal with Ecuador https://www.reuters.com/article/ecuador-imf/imf-board-approv...

That article is a month old——so, unlikely.

IMF has last granted a loan to Ecuador in Mar 21, 2003, that is 16 years. Now Ecuador is a client.

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by pedrocx486 » Thu, Apr 11, 2019, 1:51 PM UTC

codedokode wrote: post #346

Reason077 wrote: post #86

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The UK does not permit extradition where there is a risk of the death penalty being applied. It would require an assurance against the death penalty as a condition of extradition.

What about life sentence instead of death penalty?

It's very clear: It only applies to death penalty. Life sentence would have him extradited.

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Post by Traster » Thu, Apr 11, 2019, 1:52 PM UTC

hyperdunc wrote: post #342

Traster wrote: post #241

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On the flip side over the years Assange has very much moved from a proponent of openness and protection for leakers to being a political campaigner. His choice to deliberately release material during the US election campaign in a way that was designed to politically damage the candidate he opposed goes way beyond the mission statement of wikileaks and also brings into question whether wikileaks is operating independe…

The fact that material existed in the first place is solely the fault of the candidate.

Firstly, there is not one campaign that's existed since 2000 that won't have had atleast a few campaign staffers with embarrassing emails. Secondly, the issue isn't only about the clear co-ordination with a hostile foreign state, it's that rather than abiding by Assange's own claimed values, he kept the data private and then leaked it over a political campaign to try and cause political damage. That's nothing to do with data being free, that's a political campaign by a foreign power.