Depending on your ability to work remotely, I would make the "case" that you should consider Portugal . Lisbon and Porto are super popular with ["digital nomad"] remote workers who work for international companies so earn in USD but spend [much less] in Euros for a superb lifestyle. There's a reason @paddycosgrave moved Web Summit to Lisbon. It's one of the cheapest cities in Europe and [unlike Barcelona] everyone sp…
Glad to see this as the first comment I read. Im currently sat in Portugal on 4ha of land I have brought over near Fundão. It is more out of the way, but still has excellent access to cities. Plus it is absolutely beautiful. I’m a freelance software developer and can happily work out here even on a plot of land which has no power/net connection. The 3G/4G is great, and everything easily runs of a single solar panel.…
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#632Depending on your ability to work remotely, I would make the "case" that you should consider Portugal . Lisbon and Porto are super popular with ["digital nomad"] remote workers who work for international companies so earn in USD but spend [much less] in Euros for a superb lifestyle. There's a reason @paddycosgrave moved Web Summit to Lisbon. It's one of the cheapest cities in Europe and [unlike Barcelona] everyone sp…
"visa issues"? Portgual is Schengen. You need a residence visa if you want to live there. Possibly but far from trivial. On the other hand, if you want to buy real estate anyway and can cough up 500k you can go the golden visa route.
You may be too late for Lisbon. Also, Overtourism becomes a problem.
Braga sounds interesting. Had not time to go there. Wanted to check out rafting. Also, summers may be milder.
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I think it is applicable to Europe, but in a different way: Scandinavia and Switzerland are expensive, but salaries are equally high. Compare that to the French Riviera for example, where house prices are nearly as high as Stockholm, but salaries are much lower. That's the problem with sunshine: it attracts a lot of wealthy retirees and tourists, who distort the local market.
Ha! No they aren't! I lived in Sweden for seven years, and this is so far from the truth it's hilarious. Relative quality of life is garbage in Sweden for a tech worker. Your life will be not that much better than if you work in Carlings selling plaid shirts to hard-rock hipsters. My Swedish friends have decent jobs and still live unglamorous, frugal lives. As soon as I left Sweden, my quality of life completely tran…
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#636As far as Europe is concerned, you'd be mad to choose anything West or North. As for the guy saying Porto is one of the cheapest cities in Europe… WHAT?! It's €15 for a 'Francesinha', and this food is garbage anyway. There are much nicer places to go in Portugal where the prices and quality aren't ruined by tourism.
It's €15 for a 'Francesinha', and this food is garbage anyway. If you consider it garbage, don't buy it. You absolutely do not have to pay €15 for a Francesinha in Porto, and there's a huge array of other options. Of course if you go to the most touristy places you'll end up paying touristy prices, but if you really think that this is the case throughout the entire city then you can't have looked around much.
There are higher quality places like The Yeatman, but this is not somewhere the average tech worker can eat regularly.
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#637So you haven't traveled too often, but are considering relocating yourself to somewhere you've never been? There's nothing wrong with that. However, I would recommend that before you attempt to settle down or start using the word "relocate" you do a bit of serious traveling. One could say that there's a place in the world for every person. One could also say that people adapt to wherever they are. Both are partially…
Though, traveling while on "vacation" and moving to a place are 2 different things. You could get a very positive vibe when you visit a new place several times because "entertainment" is roughly 80% of your goal. But from experience, things usually don't turn out that well when you settle and dig a little more by doing "boring" stuff. Things that travelers don't have to think about. But it goes back to your second point: "people adapt to wherever they are".
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Spain offers you a mixture of international cities, and technology hubs. There will never be another "Silicon Valley", but as an alternative where you can find stimulating and rewarding work, I'd argue it's better than Portugal.
> I'd argue it's better than Portugal. Why is it better?
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Montreal is a great choice indeed. I am originally from Europe (Germany, short time in Holland) and have built tech companies on the West Coast (Vancouver, SF). After a decade on the West Coast, I moved to Montreal in 2010. Really enjoyable city with a great mix of high quality of life, culture and massive diversity (which in my opinion - even more so that universities - is the cause of the "intellectual" environment…
What's "deep tech"?
We work with 50+ universities across the globe on the fundamental research and then incorporate the results in new tech companies like those above. Great fun :)
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Stats would be nice, I agree. I have searched but haven't found anything concrete ... the best data available is: https://www.ef.edu.pt/epi/regions/europe/portugal in lieu of stats, I'll give you the logic [facts] instead: English as a Second Language (lessons) begins in the 5th grade in Portugal. It's compulsory for all people and generally high quality. see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Portugal Stude…
Isn't English compulsory almost everywhere throughout the EU? I live in Madrid and it definitely is here in Spain. It's true, however, that the fact that every TV show is completely dubbed makes it harder for us to develop our speaking (our listening doesn't seem to be so affected for some reason). When you finish college you're only supposed to have a B2 English level. I don't know about it, but I wouldn't be surpri…
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