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EU approves internet copyright law, including ‘link tax’ and ‘upload filter’

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Re: EU approves internet copyright law, including ‘link tax’ and ‘upload filter’

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Post by Freestyler_3 »

Vektorweg wrote: post #625
donatj wrote: post #546

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the same body that approved something so user-centric as GDPR could come up with legislation so incredibly hostile to small players as to effectively abolish the open internet by financial attrition GDPR arguably hurts small players most. Mismanagement of a single users data could cost the farm. It greatly increased the cost for small businesses to do business in Europe.

Only increased potential cost. It is absolutely unlikely that the EU will fine huge sums for small transgressions, or even fine at all.

The more EU critic your website/you/your consumers are the more risk for this potential cost.

They will use this in any way they can. Just because a few say this is not the intent of the law, I have yet to hear a court ruling that minds the intent of the law and not what the law says. (On a EU level that is)

Re: EU approves internet copyright law, including ‘link tax’ and ‘upload filter’

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Post by sieabah »

fucking_tragedy wrote: post #619
h91wka wrote: post #489

This is wrong on more levels than it seems from the first glance: 1) I've witnessed creeping internet censorship starting just like this: first it's something as innocuous as "let's protect creators" or "let's protect children from harmful content", then 6 years later you can't criticize the government. They've just created a legal framework for massive automated censorship, and also Overton window was moved. I expec…

Case in point: abuse of the DMCA ironically took down this[1] article titled "EU censorship machines and link tax laws are nearing the finish line". If we look at the DMCA notice[2], you'll see that the claim was made to Google that a song belonging to Real Housewives of Melbourne breakout act, Gamble Breaux, was used on the site. There is no such song on the page. Here's a few other sites that were taken off of Goog…

Thank christ I don't live in Europe.

Re: EU approves internet copyright law, including ‘link tax’ and ‘upload filter’

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Post by dpwm »

pwned1 wrote: post #609
Milner08 wrote: post #541

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe the EU would be the lesser of two evils here. If we leave it up to the UK Government and Mrs May we will have it far worse. She has tried several times to ban WhatsApp and encryption in general. I wouldn't put anything like this past her.

You have the ability to vote Teresa May out of office and change UK laws through your member of parliament. The European Commission, the European Council, and the Council of the European Union are entirely undemocratic, and the European Parliament is democratic only in name. There's no serious argument that the EU is in any way responsive to voters.

> the European Parliament is democratic only in name

It was representatives (MEPs) today that chose to vote in favour of this directive. They could have voted differently and rejected the proposal outright. Can you elaborate on how this is a "democratic only in name" institution?

Re: EU approves internet copyright law, including ‘link tax’ and ‘upload filter’

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Post by marknadal »

Ruthalas wrote: post #572
marknadal wrote: post #555

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Already got you covered! The Internet Archive ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17685682 ) & notabug.io (a P2P Reddit alternative, pushing terabytes traffic) have already moved to using our decentralized tools ( https://github.com/amark/gun ). Coming up, we're also working on IP masking (onion layering), and we already have an option to do end-to-end encryption (which prevents middlemen from being able to read y…

Is there a particularly good way to follow the progress of these projects?

I've found people's gitter channels (if they have them) to be the best update cycle:

- https://gitter.im/solid/chat (Tim Berners-Lee system)

- https://github.com/ssbc/patchwork

- https://gitter.im/amark/gun

- https://gitter.im/datproject/discussions

etc.

Re: EU approves internet copyright law, including ‘link tax’ and ‘upload filter’

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Post by sieabah »

Vektorweg wrote: post #625
donatj wrote: post #546

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the same body that approved something so user-centric as GDPR could come up with legislation so incredibly hostile to small players as to effectively abolish the open internet by financial attrition GDPR arguably hurts small players most. Mismanagement of a single users data could cost the farm. It greatly increased the cost for small businesses to do business in Europe.

Only increased potential cost. It is absolutely unlikely that the EU will fine huge sums for small transgressions, or even fine at all.

Don't you think it is any bit concerning that they get to pick and choose who gets affected by a GDPR lawsuit?

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Post by ithkuil »

pwned1 wrote: post #609
Milner08 wrote: post #541

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe the EU would be the lesser of two evils here. If we leave it up to the UK Government and Mrs May we will have it far worse. She has tried several times to ban WhatsApp and encryption in general. I wouldn't put anything like this past her.

You have the ability to vote Teresa May out of office and change UK laws through your member of parliament. The European Commission, the European Council, and the Council of the European Union are entirely undemocratic, and the European Parliament is democratic only in name. There's no serious argument that the EU is in any way responsive to voters.

If a lot of people across EU is concerned about how democratic is the EU governance, can't we change this without necessary destroying the EU first?

Re: EU approves internet copyright law, including ‘link tax’ and ‘upload filter’

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Post by sieabah »

TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #592
Milner08 wrote: post #541

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe the EU would be the lesser of two evils here. If we leave it up to the UK Government and Mrs May we will have it far worse. She has tried several times to ban WhatsApp and encryption in general. I wouldn't put anything like this past her.

The UK is currently (it's law!) going to impose mandatory online age verification for “adult content”, including IIRC the ability to block non-compliant foreign sites (will they block twitter, tumblr?)

Twitter, tumblr, and reddit all host adult content. I think Facebook and Instagram are the only that disallow it in any form.

Guess history truly does repeat itself.

Re: EU approves internet copyright law, including ‘link tax’ and ‘upload filter’

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Post by CodeMage »

yspeak wrote: post #599
marknadal wrote: post #555

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Already got you covered! The Internet Archive ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17685682 ) & notabug.io (a P2P Reddit alternative, pushing terabytes traffic) have already moved to using our decentralized tools ( https://github.com/amark/gun ). Coming up, we're also working on IP masking (onion layering), and we already have an option to do end-to-end encryption (which prevents middlemen from being able to read y…

How does decentralization, p2p and encryption change anything? They won't protect you or prevent enforcement. If there are issues they will just tighten the law and increase enforcement mechaniams.

I share your perplexion. At best, these technical solutions will just break off a smaller, "splinter" Internet, unused by the vast majority of users. The average user does not know or care about these things and this isn't likely to change without an effort to properly educate future generations.

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Post by fucking_tragedy »

sieabah wrote: post #632
fucking_tragedy wrote: post #619

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Case in point: abuse of the DMCA ironically took down this[1] article titled "EU censorship machines and link tax laws are nearing the finish line". If we look at the DMCA notice[2], you'll see that the claim was made to Google that a song belonging to Real Housewives of Melbourne breakout act, Gamble Breaux, was used on the site. There is no such song on the page. Here's a few other sites that were taken off of Goog…

Thank christ I don't live in Europe.

These pages were censored in the US. We've got our own censorship framework based around the DMCA.

Re: EU approves internet copyright law, including ‘link tax’ and ‘upload filter’

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

groestl wrote: post #608
quanticle wrote: post #499

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>This type of law is only effective due to centralisation of Internet services. This type of law encourages that very centralization. Look at the provisions of GDPR, for example. Do you think a two-person startup is going to have the resources to deal with all of its provisions? Or in this case: do you think that a new video-sharing startup is going to have the resources to deal with the more stringent copyright enfo…

> Look at the provisions of GDPR, for example. Do you think a two-person startup is going to have the resources to deal with all of its provisions? GDPR is a bad example, because yes, that's definitely possible. And it should be, if that startup handles personal data.

But what kind of startup doesn't handle personal data? All companies have that in the form of customer and supplier account information needed for billing purposes -- especially if they're not in the advertising business.
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