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Re: Firefox 57.0 Released

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Post by TuringTest »

slrz wrote: post #494
newscracker wrote: post #414

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It’s been a long time since I used ScrapBook. I don’t know about anything that can import from it either. I wanted to suggest Zotero as a tool to capture information of different kinds. It’s a multi-platform tool that also has “connectors” (extensions) for different browsers. [1] It may probably not be a complete replacement for ScrapBook. [1]: https://www.zotero.org/download/

The original Zotero also died with the demise of XUL extensions. It, too, used to be a Firefox extension.

Zotero can also be installed as a stand-alone application, independent of the Firefox version

Re: Firefox 57.0 Released

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Post by throwanem »

dblohm7 wrote: post #617
throwanem wrote: post #153

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There's only so much an extension author can do if WebExtensions doesn't expose an API corresponding to one which was critical in the XUL extension. I'm in that position myself right now, having volunteered to take over Firemacs development before I found that there is no way to listen for keypress events in browser chrome. You can only do that in injected content scripts, which don't work except in web content and a…

Have you engaged with the WebExtensions team to help develop a new API that would suit your use case?

No, because the Vimperator crew had already done so, and what solves their issue will also solve mine. Otherwise I would have.

Re: Firefox 57.0 Released

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Post by mderazon »

dsschnau wrote: post #593
ramenmeal wrote: post #590

I'm trying it out now. Seems fast and I like the UI. I think there is a feature missing that I require... In chrome I can log into two separate accounts, my work and my personal. They run as practically two separate instances of chrome, so I can log into a separate lastpass account for each. Is this possible with firefox?

yeah, there is an extension for it: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/multi-account...

This is great but unfortunately you can't have separate extensions with it. For example you can't have 2 Lastpass extensions

Re: Firefox 57.0 Released

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Post by kadal »

nisse72 wrote: post #400
barrkel wrote: post #7

Hopefully most of the missing extensions will be developed sooner rather than later. I have 15 extensions installed, 14 of which are "Legacy". The most critical one, Tree Style Tabs, has been converted. That was the key blocker that prevented me from seriously using Chrome. But many more remain; Cookie Controller, RefControl, some kind of Classic Theme Restorer equivalent (to get a menu bar back for Bookmarks, at a m…

I'm using tree style tabs, but now I have both tabs in a sidebar (where I want it) and conventional tabs along the top. WTF? If anyone can see how to disable the tab bar at the top, please enlighten me!

https://github.com/piroor/treestyletab/issues/1525#issuecomm...

Re: Firefox 57.0 Released

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Post by throwanem »

MadWombat wrote: post #609
throwanem wrote: post #164

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Have you seen the Firefox backlog? If they'd gone for 100% API parity before the switch, we'd have had to wait another three years for e10s, and I don't know if that would have been survivable. I'm not happy about the situation as it stands, and I don't expect anyone else to be. I would be a lot more not happy about having to switch to Chrome because Firefox had become unusably slow - which it had already more or les…

> I have a hard time seeing how any of that would be preferable. Not to you. But not everyone cares about the same things. I have used Firefox as my main browser ever since it split off from Mozilla Suite. Personally, I have never, in the whole history of Firefox had a problem with its speed. At various points I might have had some problems with stability, some problems with compatibility and some problems with memor…

I've been using Firefox for almost as long. Perf has been an issue for half a decade. Anecdotal evidence and telemetry analysis both suggest it's much more common to encounter the issue than not.

Don't get me wrong! I'd love to have both. But if we can't - and it seems right now that indeed we cannot - then I think perf has to be the one to pick. Otherwise the browser dies and we're all SOL.

Try backing up your profile and downgrading. I'd be surprised if anything breaks. Although I had also assumed anyone bringing legacy addons into 56 would be warned before the 57 update, so maybe I'm overly optimistic here.

Re: Firefox 57.0 Released

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Post by CorpusCalcium »

iterati wrote: post #296
Tomte wrote: post #189

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Two years without saying which APIs they needed.

Simply false. You don't appear to know what you're talking about, so maybe you should stop pretending. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1215061

Anyone can read the bug report there and see what actually happened. Nobody even tried to detail what they needed until the VimFX came around a year ago to do so, and to begin workin on an experimental API. That experiment didn't really bear fruit until TWO MONTHS AGO, when the Firefox devs were knee-deep in the release cycle of their biggest product launch since version 1.0.

So yeah, the Firefox devs didn't have much to go on except inactionable "just do whatever Vimperator needs" junk, and no other vested interest seems to have lifted a finger to help the VimFX guy speed up his work on the experiment after he finally got the ball rolling, so blame doesn't really rest on the Firefox devs here.

Re: Firefox 57.0 Released

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Post by msla »

stinky613 wrote: post #449
msla wrote: post #323

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And it's impossible to put the tabs beneath the address bar, or to have actual toolbars. Decades of UI/UX knowledge, down the drain. Usability is gone.

> Decades of UI/UX knowledge, down the drain. Usability is gone. Exactly the opposite; this is an evolution that has been taking place over the past decade. Firefox has had tabs-on-top as the default since Firefox v4.0 [1]. Chrome has had tabs-on-top for its entire existence (starting in Sept 2008); Opera had them before Chrome. The merits can be argued either way, but don't act like this is sudden or arbitrary; it's…

De gustibus non est disputandum

The idea that someone else can know what another wants better than the other person is absurd. Your arguments might be valid for defaults, but they must be configurable defaults, because taste is subjective, arbitrary, and, despite what some believe, never in error.

I know what UX I want better than anyone else. Nobody can gainsay my personal taste.

Re: Firefox 57.0 Released

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Post by Drdrdrq »

JadeNB wrote: post #625
callahad wrote: post #492

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The privacy situation is absolutely different; Mozilla has no profit motive to monitor and monetize your activity on the Web. For example, Firefox Sync is specifically designed so that we have no knowledge of your browsing data. In contrast, when you sign into Chrome, "Your experience in other Google products is personalized by including your Chrome history with your Web & App Activity."( https://support.google.com/c…

> Mozilla has no profit motive to monitor and monetize your activity on the Web. But if a substantial portion of Mozilla's funding comes from an organisation that does have a profit motive to monitor and monetise my activity on the web, then surely that's almost as bad (for me as the end user)?

There's a world of difference. For Mozilla to sell out on user's privacy it would mean game over. They simply can't afford to do so, even if they wanted to (which I believe they don't). Google on the other hand? That's their main business, they are an advertising agency. Sure they make nice products too but make no mistake where their profit is coming from.
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