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Re: Anthropic's best AI model struggles to attract users as cheaper tools thrive

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This isn't the reason I'm considering leaving Anthropic. I don't think I can tolerate its writing style anymore. Reading Claude output is starting to cause actual psychological harm. I have tried many ways to get it to stop writing in its stupid punchy linked-in marketing-team voice, and I can't. Is there a model out there that sounds sound this awful? It's like rubbing sand into the folds of my brain.

The writing style is extremely frustrating/maddening!

I’ve tried so many things and I have to beat Opus 5/Fable 5 over their head every time. With Opus 5, the failure to actually improve the writing is borderline comical. Both models have been building up tomes of memories on top of my core rules, all to be ignored.

Nothing sticks mid-writing! The only lever is to ask to revise after the fact, a particularly futile proposition for anything non-trivial with Opus 5.

In contrast, GPT 5.6 Sol Max absolutely obeys my edicts to write well. I selected the concise writing style and its default writing is really not bad, but tighten it up with a standing AGENTS.md order and it obeys.

The downside is that even at Max, it’s not as good as Fable or Opus 5 xhigh at writing code. Larger work and the 256k context’s forced compactions cause it to lose track/fidelity of critical details. Review passes are essential.

Another reason I’m considering leaving Anthropic are the sporadic refusals… Fable printed a Markdown body with a hex dump to inspect for trailing white space and line endings, boom, denied due to `reasoning_extraction`. Had to tell Fable to never do hex dumps. Asked it a few times “what do you think is typically done for this?”, got another `reasoning_extraction` error. It forces you to lose a whole turn of work when you have to press Esc/Esc to “retry” the last prompt… except if that prompt was mid-turn, you’re losing your entire turn.

The recent BashFirst experiment is hella nuts, where it prefers writing bash over Edit/Write tools in auto mode. WTF Anthropic?

I pity those stuck with Claude in an enterprise/work setting.

Re: Anthropic's best AI model struggles to attract users as cheaper tools thrive

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Yeah, I agree with this. The constant state of "...will the rug be pulled?!?" does discourage relying on it as a model and building a workflow on it. Anthropic used to just be a reliable thing you could play with. Now it's this constant source of anxiety. It also didn't help that the government yanked it which adds another source of anxiety since OpenAI is on much better terms with the administration and the administ…

My wife's startup made the mistake of building her internal operations around Claude Team. Then she hired a VA in the Philippines. Anthropic promptly banned her account without warning once the VA connected to the account. It took her weeks to get her account reinstated, at which point she had already moved on to OpenAI.

Misread as "infernal operations" which made it fun.

Re: Anthropic's best AI model struggles to attract users as cheaper tools thrive

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Yes, I feel like you can just sense the garbage coming. Age/identity verification, mandatory data sharing, morality policing, "Answer Engine Optimization" ads and influence peddling... it's going to be so painful to watch it all enshittify.

OP made the "electricity" analogy, and that's really all people want. I want to plug something into the wall and have it work. I don't want to have to worry that my electric company is going to rug-pull me because I plugged the wrong appliance in, or I didn't agree to some TOS, or I used the electricity to run grow lights for my pot farm, or this or that or the other.

People need to understand this took decades of regulation, lawsuits, and political action to make electricity as nice as it is.

Re: Anthropic's best AI model struggles to attract users as cheaper tools thrive

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I’m not certain of that - I feel like the enterprise zero retention policy will be tight?

Once a thief, always a thief. I would not trust them to not have the communications buried deep in some log files in cold storage, to be digested when suitable.

Simple: implement a hybrid or in office work policy, no emails to subpoena

Re: Anthropic's best AI model struggles to attract users as cheaper tools thrive

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My work pays for unlimited plans on whatever models we want, and GPT 5.6 sol has been the workhorse for weeks. Fable is still great, of course, but it's slow, wordy... I don't know. Sol is feeling like the leader at the moment. (coding web dev)

Re: Anthropic's best AI model struggles to attract users as cheaper tools thrive

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Also, for whatever software engineering work I throw at Fable 5, Opus 5 also does fine. Apparently Fable is supposed to do better at long running tasks (in other words - burning more tokens without interacting with the user), but that's not the kind of work I'm doing. After Fable 5 launched, it was better than Opus 4.8 for sure. Then they rug-pulled Fable from me (EU), and later released Opus 5. Now I only reach for…

Fable was really excellent before the whole fiasco with the US government. Once they brought it back it was not the same at all. I have switched over to ChatGPT now for most things, its answers are way better than Fable in my experience. I still use Opus 5 for purely coding tasks. This is why I think open weight models will win out in the end. Right now there’s too much going on behind the scenes with the models. Day…

that part is extremely frustrating, I can't tell if it's a placebo or if the model quality does actually vary. the uncertainty makes me more hesitant to rely on it heavily as some days it just seems incredibly dumb to the point of being useless.

Re: Anthropic's best AI model struggles to attract users as cheaper tools thrive

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post #570

This isn't the reason I'm considering leaving Anthropic. I don't think I can tolerate its writing style anymore. Reading Claude output is starting to cause actual psychological harm. I have tried many ways to get it to stop writing in its stupid punchy linked-in marketing-team voice, and I can't. Is there a model out there that sounds sound this awful? It's like rubbing sand into the folds of my brain.

Grok 4.6 is a delight to use in this regard, compared to Claude

Re: Anthropic's best AI model struggles to attract users as cheaper tools thrive

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How many big tech companies let you talk to a human to get support. Automation is wonderful to cut cost for them but for the users being unable to get support is a horrible experience. But you cannot go elsewhere because they are the only player in town. How can small companies with 1000x less money able to provide live support, but if you pay 20, 100, 200 dollars for a subscription you dont have a phone number to ca…

>Automation is wonderful to cut cost for them but for the users being unable to get support is a horrible experience. But you cannot go elsewhere because they are the only player in town. I can't tell you how many times I've experienced this with comcast. The last time I had to deal with it, was when I bought a new cable modem. I call in to provision it, the automated system assumes I have one of their modems and fai…

The company solves the happy path every time. Your problem is they are solving their happy path which is profit optimization. The system is not poorly designed, it is working as intended.

The solution here is removing corporate monopolies and political power.

Re: Anthropic's best AI model struggles to attract users as cheaper tools thrive

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post #570

This isn't the reason I'm considering leaving Anthropic. I don't think I can tolerate its writing style anymore. Reading Claude output is starting to cause actual psychological harm. I have tried many ways to get it to stop writing in its stupid punchy linked-in marketing-team voice, and I can't. Is there a model out there that sounds sound this awful? It's like rubbing sand into the folds of my brain.

the writing style is so easy to fix, output styles is documented in claude code and you can change it

still don’t think anthropic models are worth the money

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