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Post by littlecranky67 »

k4rli wrote: post #577
littlecranky67 wrote: post #279

They price hiked my existing CCX13 from 16€ to 43€ - that is a 2.6x price increase (!). Technically they didn't increase it yet, for as long as I don't order a new one or rescale (up/down) they let me use the old price. This is insane (it is a cloud server, with 2 dedicated cores and 8 GB RAM).

On netcup I'm paying only 9€ for better specs. AMD 4 cores and 8GB ram. Worth looking at their offers/deals section.

I was interested in Netcup for their dedicated-core vservers (they call them "root servers" although it is a kvm instance on bare metal - probably overprovisioned so also not really dedicated cores). What is your overall experience with them?

Re: Hetzner Price Adjustment

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Post by yeoyeo42 »

Not ragebait, actual question. Isn't this kind of scenario exactly the kind of thing where capitalism is supposed to generate a lot of competition that makes everything higher quality and cheaper for the end consumer?

There is giga hyper demand for various computing products and this will likely continue for many years to come - is it likely that we will have some serious competitors to the big manufacturers (for evertyhing from silicon to the end products) a couple of years from now? Or is that unlikely based on the sheer expertise, capital, and time needed to get something out the door?

Re: Hetzner Price Adjustment

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

stymaar wrote: post #607
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #592

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> ...and it's rebuked by Maynard Keynes: "We're all dead in the long run". The trouble with Keynes is that it's only fully true on the time scale of the heat death of the universe, and in that context it's fully nihilistic. Whereas most economic theories do operate on timescales where the finding out comes within the lifetime of the people fucking around. And to the extent that it doesn't, it generally comes within t…

> The trouble with Keynes is that it's only fully true on the time scale of the heat death of the universe, and in that context it's fully nihilistic. Whereas most economic theories do operate on timescales where the finding out comes within the lifetime of the people fucking around You got this completely backwards: Keynes argument is that economic policies cannot just rely on the fact that things are going to be fi…

No, the quote is regularly brought out as a justification to ignore long-term and even medium-term effects whenever the result is anything less than instantaneous. Even right now we're in a discussion about manufacturing where the lead time is a low single digit number of years. The expectation that we'll all be dead before it shakes out is rather implausible but there is the quote.

And there are no valid theories that are only true if you wait until the heat death of the universe, because by then everyone is dead and there is no one to constitute an economy. There are, however, many theories that could be valid even though they take decades or more to shake out, and that quote is used especially against those to rationalize exactly the short-term thinking that lets people ignore that even when they are dead, we, i.e. humanity and its future generations, will be holding the long-term consequences of whatever we choose to do right now.

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Post by AlecSchueler »

yeoyeo42 wrote: post #622

Not ragebait, actual question. Isn't this kind of scenario exactly the kind of thing where capitalism is supposed to generate a lot of competition that makes everything higher quality and cheaper for the end consumer? There is giga hyper demand for various computing products and this will likely continue for many years to come - is it likely that we will have some serious competitors to the big manufacturers (for eve…

The shortage is currently caused by the big players refusing to up their output because it seems likely the current increased demand is only a spike which will flatten out again in a year or two. I imagine that's the same reason it isn't appealing for new players as, indeed, by the time they get over the humps of "sheer expertise, capital, and time" etc. the bubble might have burst.

Re: Hetzner Price Adjustment

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Post by littlecranky67 »

k4rli wrote: post #577
littlecranky67 wrote: post #279

They price hiked my existing CCX13 from 16€ to 43€ - that is a 2.6x price increase (!). Technically they didn't increase it yet, for as long as I don't order a new one or rescale (up/down) they let me use the old price. This is insane (it is a cloud server, with 2 dedicated cores and 8 GB RAM).

On netcup I'm paying only 9€ for better specs. AMD 4 cores and 8GB ram. Worth looking at their offers/deals section.

Which package is your 9€ one? The root server start at 13€ - maybe they price hiked already? Netcups vServers aren't really comparable to the CCX13 of Hetzner, as they have no guaranteed resources - those will be the root server on Netcups side.

Re: Hetzner Price Adjustment

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Post by freefaler »

Liriel wrote: post #605

Prices are going insane, and I am going for an alternative provider in the US. I have 5 app nodes, 2 background workers, 1 DB replica, and 4 dev/staging instances. On new Hetzner US pricing: 5 x CCX23 (app nodes): $514.95/mo 2 x CCX13 (workers): $101.98/mo 1 x CCX23 (DB replica): $102.99/mo 4 x CX33 (dev/staging): $39.96/mo Total: ~$759/mo or $9,108/year On 3HCloud with equivalent specs: 5 x 16 GB 4 vCPU dedicated: $…

Thanks Liriel how stable are they and how is 3HCloud support?

Re: Hetzner Price Adjustment

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Post by freefaler »

Liriel wrote: post #605

Prices are going insane, and I am going for an alternative provider in the US. I have 5 app nodes, 2 background workers, 1 DB replica, and 4 dev/staging instances. On new Hetzner US pricing: 5 x CCX23 (app nodes): $514.95/mo 2 x CCX13 (workers): $101.98/mo 1 x CCX23 (DB replica): $102.99/mo 4 x CX33 (dev/staging): $39.96/mo Total: ~$759/mo or $9,108/year On 3HCloud with equivalent specs: 5 x 16 GB 4 vCPU dedicated: $…

Also they're mostly a VPS provider with some "dedicated servers" available after you talk to sales.

Hetzner is great because you can build from dedicated servers your own infra and not suffer the multi tenant issues on virtualized servers. (IOPS exhaustion for example)

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Post by cuu508 »

patrickdavey wrote: post #608

I haven't looked into it thoroughly yet, but, at some point it'll be worth looking at getting a static IP address and using Cloudflare tunnels to serve toyish projects from your home netwerk. Just need to work out how to firewall it properly from the rest of the home network.

A dumb and simple solution is separate physical routers for the home stuff and for the homelab stuff. Each group of clients is behind its own NAT.
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