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Any other small country? You rarely read about Finland spying on other nations, or trying to influence their politics. There is the AIPAC, I challenge you to find anything similar from any other country.
If the I in AIPAC stood for Italian they would call it a Mafia organisation.
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Well, so here's the question: what counts as the interests of a foreign country? AIPAC's entire lobbying stance is that its positions are mutually beneficial to both the US and Israel, and this is the stance that every other national/ethnic affinity group in the US uses as well. Put another way: it seems very risky to allow the federal government to determine the propriety of political speech just because it happens…
>AIPAC's entire lobbying stance is that its positions are mutually beneficial to both the US and Israel I don't think AIPAC is making that ridiculous claim! The point of the lobbying is make the people American serve the interests of Israel. There is a book written about this: https://www.amazon.com/Israel-Lobby-U-S-Foreign-Policy/dp/03...
Should they just die already? Are legal pathways for survival just too good for those pesky Jews?
Meanwhile OPEC will buy American presidents outright and you'll welcome their culture of imprisoning rape victims, hanging homosexuals, and torturing journalists? That lobbying doesn't count? We only count Jewish money?
Is it better that we fund the Palestinians to overthrow the powers that be like we did all over the world for the last 100 years? Will you count the 10 million deaths that creates as just another American mistake? Sweep them under the rug because it was "not my president?" America doesn't need to be held responsible for those things?
Personally I'm very thankful that people with an agreeable moral compass are lobbying to correct the problems in American politics.
I'd sure like to see America finally step in to fix the problems that Jimmy Carter created in the Middle East, rather than blaming everyone else for them.
WE made the IRGC. WE made Israel. WE made Gaza and the West Bank.
We should take some accountability and let the people living in the hell we created tell us how to fix it. We shouldn't be surprised that they are using legal pathways like lobbying to encourage what should be common human decency.
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"parents and grandparents," You don't have to go into historical events. This is still happening now. Jews are still fighting for their survival and the moment Israel stops fighting, millions of Jews will die.
That's true in a general sense, not true in every specific sense. Before the mass murdering on Oct 2023, Israel didn't fight in the sense of an open conflict/war for a time. It tried to normalize relationships with Arabic countries, but didn't really work on solving the conflict with Gaza. It became more and more obvious they are trying to replace the population in the West Bank, further devalidating political/peacef…
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Sorry, but none of your personal restrictions on type and style of evidence are pertinent to the matter at hand (and are awfully cherry-picked). israeli ideological wishes of destroying Palestine, Lebanon, Iran, etc are pretty much in the open, no need to try to weasel around it. Heck, israel doesn't even recognize Palestine's right to exist in the first place.
What would recognizing "Palestine's right to exist" look like? They proposed the creation of a Palestinian state several times; what more would you expect? > israeli ideological wishes of destroying Palestine, Lebanon, Iran, etc are pretty much in the open This is pretty ironic considering that Iran, Hamas and Hezbollah are all quite explicit about their ambitions of wiping out Israel, while the reverse isn't true at…
I would expect a proposal that any self respecting people could accept, what Israel has proposed it then itself described as something 'less than a state'[1].
And that was under much less radical government than is in power in Israel now.
These word games such as don't fool anyone anymore.
1 - https://jewishvirtuallibrary.org/pm-rabin-speech-to-knesset-...
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> as these are not instances of attacking Iran No, they're instances of attacking Palestinians. > it's hard to claim Iran never attacked Israel first when it is either financing attacks against Israel or participating in them for the last 45+ years The Iranians supported the Palestinians Israel was attacking the same way the Soviets supported the Vietnamese. This was not the Soviets attacking the US, this was the Sov…
> Which is why the PLO has a bloody conflict with Jordan, which you conveniently omit. It's almost as if they were opposed to being occupied, period. The PLO tried to takeover Jordan after Jordan stopped occupying the West Bank, I don't see how that makes sense chronologically. You could also point at Palestinian attempts at taking over Lebanon, but that doesn't really support your argument that Palestinians are aggr…
If there's something you could count against the Soviets, it would be their support for Israel and arms supplies because they naively believed Israel would be a socialist state aligned with them.
And Iran was neither behind Ocrober 7, nor is it 'in complete ruins'.
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> my impression is that Israel is more concerned with Iran as a general threat Iran has never attacked Israel unless attacked first. As for their 'proxies' they only really exist because Israel has invaded Lebanon long before Hezbollah existed and its creation was spearheaded primarily by Lebanon's local population as a response to the invasion, with Iranian support. Iran supports these local 'proxies' because it see…
> Iran has never attacked Israel unless attacked first I mean, come on dude. You explaining away the actions of Iran's proxies as not the actions of Iran is just ahistorical nonsense at best. They funded them, trained them, and directed their actions. > Israel is indeed concerned with Iran as a threat, but only because they see the other governments in the region as willing to overlook the Palestinian cause, in excha…
Such as the Stern Gang? /s
Or it's ok when Israel does it because when they kill 20k+ children in Gaza that's a state doing it so it's not terrorism?
Perhaps at some point Israel (the dominant party) needs to take the first step towards peace, instead of constantly playing the victim.
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I wouldn't be surprised if the results of a poll for actual genocide would be the same, but expulsion is not genocide. I really wish people would stop diluting the meaning of genocide at every opportunity.
Forced displacement and ethnic cleansing is a core component of genocide, you're making a distinction without a difference.
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This is blatantly false. Palestinians are indigenous to Palestine. No one is indigenous to Israel, which was created in 1948. Israel is a colony, defined by its non-indigenous population.
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See https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme... for past explanations. (Single-purpose accounts aren't allowed in general, btw.)
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Palestinian land is where they were before being ethnically cleansed since the Nakba.
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I'm not going to ban your account right now because I noticed at least one comment in your recent history which was on an unrelated topic, but if you'd please fix this, we'd appreciate it. HN is supposed to be for intellectual curiosity, random-access style, not pre-existing agendas, ongoing political battles, or single-purpose accounts.
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Lack of self reflection? I'm American. I'm in my living room judging a nation that kidnapped Jewish kids. I don't need to reflect on anything. I didn't do that, and I'm fully justified in telling you that it's wrong to do that. I didn't fire rockets from schools to hide behind children. That's reserved for Hamas, and Iran. I don't see Israel doing that. Someone definitely needs to self reflect. It's those people. It'…
Honestly, I agree with the previous comment on your need for self-reflection. Everything you're accusing Palestinians of doing, israel has done: Hides behind civilians? Check; Discounts the sanctity of children's lives? Check; Kidnapped kids? Check; Kills them, too. Don't kill civilians. Don't kill children. Especially if they're being used as human shields. It really is that easy. Whatever desires israel may have (e…