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Re: Gmail thinks I'm stupid, so I left

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Post by olliebrkr »

ndom91 wrote: post #620

Long time protonmail subscriber and reasonably happy, but them not allowing SMTP access (other than through proton bridge which is a GUI app - workaround: https://ndo.dev/blog/headless_protonbridge ) kind of sucks, and their search functionality is also not great. Debating moving over to Fastmail as well

I agree on the search functionality. Even the apps do feel a little clunkier than Gmail. Considering how much I get for my Proton subscription I doubt I'll look for an alternative for a while. They're mild annoyances really.

Re: Gmail thinks I'm stupid, so I left

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Post by sph »

zaptheimpaler wrote: post #567
sph wrote: post #529

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It's not. I wrote about this a couple times. Here's how it works: the personal spam filter kicks in after having trained on ~100-200 spam emails. You need to mark them as spam (you might want to use a filter initially if they all have a common pattern) and delete them regularly from the spam folder. Spam training kicks in only when you a spam message is deleted (to avoid training on false positives) I went through th…

Are you talking about false negatives? The problem I have is with false positives. It regularly throws important legit email into spam. Just the other day it threw an invoice from AWS into spam! Regularly throws financial docs into spam. Like it’s hard for me to imagine how that happens.

Training a spam filter works both ways. Mark them as ‘not spam’ until it stops happening.

I never got a legit email end up in my Spam folder, so YMMV.

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Post by GoblinSlayer »

reconnecting wrote: post #556
exitnode wrote: post #506

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Anything can be taken from you at any time. Google can also just delete your account for no obvious reason. I guess that a domain can also be taken away but maybe not that easy. At least you can switch mail providers easily without having to change all your accounts that are based on your mail address.

Google can just block your account for no obvious reason and ask for KYC, which could easily leave you without access to your email for a week. Hope that's not your case, but seeing how irresponsible Google is in its actions, I couldn't tolerate such risks.

Google can just block your account for no obvious reason and no asking.

Re: Gmail thinks I'm stupid, so I left

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Post by nopurpose »

cadamsdotcom wrote: post #327

Looking for your alternative? Let me give you some (non financially motivated) praise for Fastmail. It has everything Gmail has - even app passwords, hide my email, and ios integration. The only criticism is the calendar doesn’t autocomplete addresses so that’s a bit more typing than I would like. But everything you do in Fastmail is instant . They live up to the name! Once you try it and go back, you’ll be shocked -…

How is offline support in their mobile app? I am looking for a protonmail alternative, because it didn't open emails when I really needed while being offline.

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Post by GoblinSlayer »

dotancohen wrote: post #497
teekert wrote: post #481

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I've been very happy with Protonmail, you can even use your old Gmail address from within Protonmail [0]. Although arguable doing that is counter productive, you want receive gmails but reply with you new address -> Yes this is the time to buy a domain and own an address for the rest of your life, so you can move again with little pain in the future ;) [0] https://proton.me/blog/proton-mail-connect-gmail

> Yes this is the time to buy a domain and own an address for the rest of your life As someone who does use their own domain to receive mail, I am acutely aware of how diligent I must be to never lose that domain. The chances of someone acquiring access to my Gmail account are far lower than me losing the dotancohen.com domain, especially with the cyber attacks against Israeli assets that have been ongoing incessantl…

Change your password from 123456 to correct horse battery staple and you will be safe from cyberattacks. And use noscript.

Re: Gmail thinks I'm stupid, so I left

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Post by Terr_ »

berkes wrote: post #161
apparent wrote: post #5

What surprises me most about gmail and AI is that they seem really quite bad at filtering out obvious spam. I get so many messages from people I have never heard from, on relatively new domains, with endings like "if this isn't relevant for you right now, say "not now" and I'll not circle back" (a clear attempt to allow unsubscribe without using the word). How is it that they haven't figured out how to stop these mes…

They can fix it. They have certainly figured out how. But their "killer feature" is not that you don't receive spam, it's that the mail you send isn't flagged as spam by their fellow oligopolists. We're now at the place where it's virtually impossible to run your own mailserver and have the mail delivered, consistently at Gmail and Outlook/Live/Hotmail. At least not without hours a month tuning, re-configuring, monit…

It might not fit every requirement to call it a cartel, but certainly that word is somewhere in the right direction.

Re: Gmail thinks I'm stupid, so I left

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Post by GoblinSlayer »

GJim wrote: post #617
reddalo wrote: post #545

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You can export mails, but only if you're on a paid plan. Then you can install Proton Mail Bridge (which exposes a fake IMAP server to your machine) and a mail client (e.g. Thunderbird). Then you move all your mail from Proton to your new service by drag-n-dropping inside of your mail client. I did it in order to move to Mailbox.org (great service), exactly because I don't want to give money to a company run by a Trum…

> You can export mails, but only if you're on a paid plan. GDPR to the rescue: You have the right to data portability. All UK/EU email providers offer this (and any that don't may need a polite reminder for them to play ball). https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/uk-gdpr-guidance-and-re...

I thought protonmail supports imap. Or was it discontinued?

Re: Gmail thinks I'm stupid, so I left

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Post by nopurpose »

pixelesque wrote: post #505
wodenokoto wrote: post #464

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I was quite surprised how much better search and spam filters are on fastmail. Both things I did not believe a small company could do better than Google, but I think they did. I also find the interface better. I was also expecting Google to have resources for optimizing details, that a small company wouldn't get around to. Fastmail also lets you e-mail a real person for help and they usually take it very seriously -…

I personally find Fastmail's spam handling a lot worse than GMail's: and I get a lot more spam in my GMail address, due to it being a 22 year old address, which I still use for initial sign-ups, before then changing account emails to my fastmail one after a few months. Very likely a lot of the difference is the types of email each address is getting.

First time I hear about signing up then change email trick. Does it help reducing spam?

Re: Gmail thinks I'm stupid, so I left

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Post by rsynnott »

kibwen wrote: post #27
lemonish97 wrote: post #8

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Looking at the next iOS rumors, I think it's inevitable.

Looking at the way the stock market rewards companies that brainlessly shove AI into everything under the sun, I know it's inevitable.

That will presumably be a temporary phenomenon.
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