People comparing expensive laptops and pretending they're cheap. Weird.
Budget laptops are less than half the price of the MacBook Neo.
It's hard to justify buying a Framework 12
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Re: It's hard to justify buying a Framework 12
#622If you're ideologically willing to use a Mac, you're really not the market that the Framework is targeting. Apple has always had some of the best hardware. Where they really struggle is in respecting user choice and allowing power users to alter their systems. The Neo is an appliance. The Framework is a tool. They're fundamentally intended for different people. If your choice of platform is driven by hardware instead…
I don't think people buy Macs for ideology. They buy cause they like it. Framework, on the other hand, is more ideological proposition than practical. Which is fine, because whatever your choice is it should make you feel comfortable.
Re: It's hard to justify buying a Framework 12
#623If you're ideologically willing to use a Mac, you're really not the market that the Framework is targeting. Apple has always had some of the best hardware. Where they really struggle is in respecting user choice and allowing power users to alter their systems. The Neo is an appliance. The Framework is a tool. They're fundamentally intended for different people. If your choice of platform is driven by hardware instead…
I don't think people buy Macs for ideology. They buy cause they like it. Framework, on the other hand, is more ideological proposition than practical. Which is fine, because whatever your choice is it should make you feel comfortable.
People _avoid_ buying Macs for ideology.
Re: It's hard to justify buying a Framework 12
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> Speaker, Keyboard and Battery are the most common thing for repairing All of which are famously nightmarish repairs on Macbooks, and line-replacable on Frameworks. I think you're alone in this regard, I'd trust the Framework 8 days out of the week.
>All of which are famously nightmarish repairs on Macbooks, Not for Neo. Which is why Neo is a much bigger deal in its design, but most are focusing on its pricing.
Yes for Neo. The laptop scored a whopping six on iFixit, compared to Framework 12's score of 10: https://www.ifixit.com/News/116152/macbook-neo-is-the-most-r...
We don't know what replacement keyboards will cost. It's probably cheaper than the $600 MBP topcase repairs that are normally warranted, but I doubt it will reach the $20 mark of Thinkpad or Framework repairs. The "repairable design" is a bartering chit for enterprise customers, not a marketing stunt for the Framework crowd. Those people are right to ignore Apple's promises here, the battle is only partway won.
Re: It's hard to justify buying a Framework 12
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That must suck. I have no reservations challenging unqualified ideologues over their selfish platitudes, you should try it sometime. Have fun defending DRM requirements, and thank you for subsidizing my 4k Netflix torrents!
If you review what I've said above, I think you'll be hard pressed to make an argument that I'm actually defending DRM. Instead, I think you saw someone say something not negative about Apple and that activated your own "unqualified ideologue", causing you to jump into the conversation with some blithe Steve Jobs quote. Nobody gives a shit that you can run arch or gentoo or whatever, and configure it just so to get a…
But I don't configure anything, that's my point. DRM is entirely unnecessary to watch high-resolution Netflix, or really any online media. Nobody needs Widevine, DRM is an anti-feature if you value freedom.
You really are "holding it wrong" if you pay for Netflix and expect FAANG to defend your user freedoms. On iOS, iPadOS and macOS you get a superior experience watching the torrented version every time. This is also the case on Windows and Android, before you cram a stick in my spokes.
Re: It's hard to justify buying a Framework 12
#626Because you want something that runs more than macOS nor has privacy issues that Apple software does?
Re: It's hard to justify buying a Framework 12
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i've tried getting linux to run on a 2018 MB Pro (intel/nvidia based). Even after a ton of research and installing a couple "compatible-ish" distros, I couldn't get it to work, and gave up. And then further reading suggested I was always going to live with a semi-bricked machine. I just wanted a simple writing and couch surfing laptop. But the version of MacOs running on that old hardware is so slugish, it's painful.
A Fedora live USB should just boot on an Intel MBP (maybe you have to hold Alt? Don't remember). Then you can install it to disk. I was happily running Linux on a 2015 model until recently, still a good machine for most things.
I'll give this a try, both sound and wifi will work? (I'll check it out.)
Re: It's hard to justify buying a Framework 12
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i've tried getting linux to run on a 2018 MB Pro (intel/nvidia based). Even after a ton of research and installing a couple "compatible-ish" distros, I couldn't get it to work, and gave up. And then further reading suggested I was always going to live with a semi-bricked machine. I just wanted a simple writing and couch surfing laptop. But the version of MacOs running on that old hardware is so slugish, it's painful.
You may have more luck with Omarchy - apparently they test against most Intel Mac based models.
Interesting, I do have an omarchy install already on a USB. I didn't try that one on the old Macbook pro, though. Thanks for the suggestions.
Re: It's hard to justify buying a Framework 12
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Is this just "Person discovers DRM, c. 2026" dressed up as a complaint about Apple?
Only if you are solely an Apple user, because it's literally not a problem anywhere else. I've taken tons of photos of movies with my Pixels.
You have definitely not. Go ahead, try taking a screenshot of a movie playing on Netflix on your pixel right now.
Re: It's hard to justify buying a Framework 12
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I never run out of memory on macoOS on my M1 Air 16GB. Now that I use Asahi on it, I had plenty of OoM crashes. macOS is really good at memory management, including the compression and offloading to the fast SSD.
Do you use Firefox? I have a theory that there's some kind of Firefox-aarch64-linux-specific memory leak but I haven't been able to track it down. I have a 16GB x86-64 Thinkpad and I rarely get OOM issues, whereas my 32GB M1 MBP running Asahi is always on the brink of OOM.
But is it FF that is taking all the RAM? If you restart it, how long until it fills again?