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Iran starts Bitcoin-backed ship insurance for Hormuz strait

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Re: Iran starts Bitcoin-backed ship insurance for Hormuz strait

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Post by expedition32 »

alsetmusic wrote: post #615
antman wrote: post #494

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Nobody credible said or believed Iran was making nuclear weapons. Iran had made it a fatwa against the Islamic law to develop such weapons and Obama had referenced that. They also dont believe bolivian fishermen could reach the US with stocks of drugs, they dont believe venezuela’s president was a hidden drug kingpin, and they also dont believe that Cuba is a credible threat that needs to be blockaded to the stone ag…

The strongest case for developing nuclear weapons is our lack of invasions of nuclear powers. It's funny how he tore up a nuclear arms embargo / agreement and then acted as though they (Iran) were a threat that couldn't be tolerated. Common saying: "They sell us the sickness and then sell us the cure."

Nuclear weapons have been a strictly self defense capability since 1945 I don't know why the White House is crying about Iran getting them.

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Post by jameshilliard »

antman wrote: post #494
dmix wrote: post #445

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It's a pressure campaign to get a nuclear deal. NYT reported Iran already offered to open the strait, end hostilities, and negotiate a nuclear deal later, but the US rejected that offer as they want to pressure them into giving up their uranium. Now Iran is demanding money in exchange for the uranium which is the primary roadblock.

Nobody credible said or believed Iran was making nuclear weapons. Iran had made it a fatwa against the Islamic law to develop such weapons and Obama had referenced that. They also dont believe bolivian fishermen could reach the US with stocks of drugs, they dont believe venezuela’s president was a hidden drug kingpin, and they also dont believe that Cuba is a credible threat that needs to be blockaded to the stone ag…

> Nobody credible said or believed Iran was making nuclear weapons.

Then why were they enriching uranium to levels well above what is needed for civilian purposes? You simply don't do that unless you intend to make nuclear weapons at some point.

> Iran had made it a fatwa against the Islamic law to develop such weapons and Obama had referenced that.

Iran obviously has the ability to lie, and regularly does so.

Re: Iran starts Bitcoin-backed ship insurance for Hormuz strait

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Post by jameshilliard »

expedition32 wrote: post #621
alsetmusic wrote: post #615

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The strongest case for developing nuclear weapons is our lack of invasions of nuclear powers. It's funny how he tore up a nuclear arms embargo / agreement and then acted as though they (Iran) were a threat that couldn't be tolerated. Common saying: "They sell us the sickness and then sell us the cure."

Nuclear weapons have been a strictly self defense capability since 1945 I don't know why the White House is crying about Iran getting them.

> I don't know why the White House is crying about Iran getting them.

How does one not see a problem with terrorists(i.e. the Islamic regime in Iran) getting nuclear weapons?

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Post by watwut »

alsetmusic wrote: post #614
spiderfarmer wrote: post #527

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Iran doesn’t have to do anything, really. The Hormuz blockade is entirely on the moronic US, their feeble leader as well as their utterly corrupt and incompetent politicians. A toxic mix of staggering arrogance, moral bankruptcy, a lack of strategic thinking, non-existing historical awareness and a desperate need to divert attention because of the Epstein files. Try debating a MAGA supporter. The stupidity is astound…

> because of the Epstein files. > The stupidity is astounding. They "released the files" and handed out binders of Epstein documents to influencers. There was a ton of posting as though something monumental had happened. They were entirely comprised pre-existing publicly released information. That's how much the admin respects the intelligence of its base and that's how much its loudest supporters think things throug…

> They were entirely comprised pre-existing publicly released information.

This is not true. This is in fact straightforwardly false.

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Post by simianparrot »

cwillu wrote: post #542
simianparrot wrote: post #524

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Your source doesn't contradict anything he said. “This stockpile could potentially enable Iran to construct as many as 10 nuclear bombs, should it choose to weaponize its program, Grossi told The Associated Press last year.”

There is no other reason to have uranium enriched to that level. None.

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Post by _DeadFred_ »

spiderfarmer wrote: post #527
jltsiren wrote: post #101

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Military history is full of quotes like "war is too important to be left to the generals". When you put people who focus on technical matters in charge, they often make poor decisions, as they are not looking at the big picture. The question is not about whether the US can blockade the Hormuz Strait but who gets blamed for the blockade. Iran is messaging that it is making serious attempts to reopen the strait, while…

Iran doesn’t have to do anything, really. The Hormuz blockade is entirely on the moronic US, their feeble leader as well as their utterly corrupt and incompetent politicians. A toxic mix of staggering arrogance, moral bankruptcy, a lack of strategic thinking, non-existing historical awareness and a desperate need to divert attention because of the Epstein files. Try debating a MAGA supporter. The stupidity is astound…

You'd think the Epstein class would get along better with Iran, seeing as you can get 'temporary' marriages to underage girls in Iran. (google 'iran child bride' and 'iran temporary marriage').

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Post by bannable »

_DeadFred_ wrote: post #626
spiderfarmer wrote: post #527

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Iran doesn’t have to do anything, really. The Hormuz blockade is entirely on the moronic US, their feeble leader as well as their utterly corrupt and incompetent politicians. A toxic mix of staggering arrogance, moral bankruptcy, a lack of strategic thinking, non-existing historical awareness and a desperate need to divert attention because of the Epstein files. Try debating a MAGA supporter. The stupidity is astound…

You'd think the Epstein class would get along better with Iran, seeing as you can get 'temporary' marriages to underage girls in Iran. (google 'iran child bride' and 'iran temporary marriage').

Why would anyone post this comment?

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Post by HDThoreaun »

antonvs wrote: post #562
HDThoreaun wrote: post #461

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Americans understand. We're allowed to fund terrorists, Iran isnt. Its not even a bad take if your goal is just domestic happiness. Iran funds terrorists that are opposed to American interests, it's the opposed to american interests part that is unacceptable.

The problem with this attitude is that no-one other than jingoistic Americans will want to support your country if you behave like that. There’s no difference between you and Russia then.

I don’t think this is true. You just need to work with countries whose values and incentives align with your own. Luckily American values line up very nicely with most western countries.

I do agree that ignoring the suffering you cause other people is pretty immoral, I just think most people tend to be kind of ok with that, especially in out of sight out of mind situations. Most people don’t mind if their enemies suffer, its just a balancing act of making sure that mostly it’s your enemies that you make suffer.

Not really any different than eating meat, another immoral act that almost everyone does anyway.

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Post by tim333 »

sharts wrote: post #551
dmix wrote: post #445

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a pressure campaign to get a nuclear deal. NYT reported Iran already offered to open the strait, end hostilities, and negotiate a nuclear deal later, but the US rejected that offer as they want to pressure them into giving up their uranium. Now Iran is demanding money in exchange for the uranium which is the primary roadblock.

Is NYT even a credible source these days?

They don't seem that bad. Trump shouting fake news whenever they say something he's not keen on doesn't necessarily make them non credible.

Looking on Wikipedia for NYT controversies it has them saying killing Palestinians may be bad and saying sex change ops for kids may be bad which don't seem especially terrible positions.

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Post by watwut »

amarant wrote: post #436
HWR_14 wrote: post #222

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Assisting the US with regard to Iran is phenomenally unpopular. The increase in energy prices isn't outweighing people's desire not to have their country assist.

this is in no small part because Iran is viewed a bit like America's Poland. Yes, I know ww2 comparisons are tired but honestly the Lebensraum explanation makes more sense than what trump has said publicly, so here we are...

I really doubt USA is planning to settle Iran and replace Iranians by Americans at conquered land.
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