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Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by sweezyjeezy »

meta_gunslinger wrote: post #594
sweezyjeezy wrote: post #575

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Ironic that you are talking about unrepresentative samples while characterizing Reddit users that way. Reddit is a huge subsection of the internet, over a billion monthly active users. It covers basically all strata of western society you can think of.

Are you counting the fakes and the bots? Moreover, as sibling pointed out, content creator != visitor. If Reddit was a representative sample of reality, all governments in the West would have been ran by gay race Communists.

I have to ask - are you a bot? You seem to be making some very strong and misinformed statements here. You can fixate on the number if you like, but calling Reddit homogeneously radical left or 'very small', is pretty stupid.

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by cultofmetatron »

solenoid0937 wrote: post #438
trueno wrote: post #337

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pretty much none of these big providers are offering the guarantees needed to be taken seriously in workplaces right now. the technology itself isn't offering the deterministic guarantees that should warrant it in the workplace right now. problem is everyone's foot is just on the gas. even if your workplace isnt paying for it, people are just straight up rolling their own personal claude accounts to do work at orgs.…

Anthropic is absolutely taken seriously in workplaces, what are you even talking about? No serious business uses Pro or Max, they are all on Anthropic API billing. In fact with this move it is plainly obvious that Anthropic is moving compute from prosumers towards enterprise.

My startup just rolled out MAX plans for our engineers. we literally jumped into AI last week. Been in operation for 6 years and are profitable.

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by mewpmewp2 »

verdverm wrote: post #577
mewpmewp2 wrote: post #571

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But if e.g. a developer can do 50% more, shouldn't it be worth it to pay up to 50% of developer salary for the product? So the % is debatable of course. There's cases where an AI agent can save weeks worth of investigation, there's cases where you are mainly blocked due to processes, and many different circumstances. It's up to every company on their own to decide it. But if they decide it's 50%, why shouldn't they s…

I believe what GP is saying is that there is a price calculation today, but then if enough devs become unemployed, their salary will go down, making them more competitive by finops calculations, at which point the Ai prices will have to come down as well. Where equilibrium is, no one knows

Yeah, I mean I think there's just too much work and I think devs who are effective with AI won't become unemployed, but their productivity will be multiplied. More will be expected of companies in terms of output, so it will be just more output.

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by mewpmewp2 »

fauigerzigerk wrote: post #607
mewpmewp2 wrote: post #571

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But if e.g. a developer can do 50% more, shouldn't it be worth it to pay up to 50% of developer salary for the product? So the % is debatable of course. There's cases where an AI agent can save weeks worth of investigation, there's cases where you are mainly blocked due to processes, and many different circumstances. It's up to every company on their own to decide it. But if they decide it's 50%, why shouldn't they s…

>But if e.g. a developer can do 50% more, shouldn't it be worth it to pay up to 50% of developer salary for the product? That's the upper bound but it's not the market price. Accounting software (+ hardware) doesn't cost nearly as much as the accountant hours it saves. Accountant salaries are simply not a relevant yardstick for the price that software vendors can charge for accounting software. Equally, the market pr…

Because accounting software is cheaper due to competition. In software eng Claude is currently strongest and there's higher costs involved than normal SaaS. There are many fields in which the tools/machinery cost more than the salaries of people.

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by adastra22 »

simonw wrote: post #270
rideontime wrote: post #209

Anthropic’s “Head of Growth” claims this is a “test”: https://x.com/TheAmolAvasare/status/2046724659039932830 This does not explain the changes to documentation.

They later said: https://twitter.com/TheAmolAvasare/status/204672549859272297... > When we do land on something, if it affects existing subscribers you'll get plenty of notice before anything changes. Will hear it from us, not a screenshot on X or Reddit. If you don't want things like this spreading through screenshots of X and Reddit, don't run "tests" like this in the first place! (Also "if it affects existing subs…

> I need to know the pricing of Claude Code for NEW subscribers if I'm going to adopt it at a company with a growing team

Subscriptions aren’t for company use.

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by fauigerzigerk »

mewpmewp2 wrote: post #625
fauigerzigerk wrote: post #607

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>But if e.g. a developer can do 50% more, shouldn't it be worth it to pay up to 50% of developer salary for the product? That's the upper bound but it's not the market price. Accounting software (+ hardware) doesn't cost nearly as much as the accountant hours it saves. Accountant salaries are simply not a relevant yardstick for the price that software vendors can charge for accounting software. Equally, the market pr…

Because accounting software is cheaper due to competition. In software eng Claude is currently strongest and there's higher costs involved than normal SaaS. There are many fields in which the tools/machinery cost more than the salaries of people.

>Because accounting software is cheaper due to competition. In software eng Claude is currently strongest and there's higher costs involved than normal SaaS.

Yes, competition not salaries determines the margins that software vendors can charge. That's exactly what I'm saying.

My expectation is that competition between coding agents will stay strong and costs for the current level of software engineering performance will fall.

>There are many fields in which the tools/machinery cost more than the salaries of people.

For example?

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by muwtyhg »

wobfan wrote: post #508
wrxd wrote: post #211

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What does it mean that they’re running a test? If you’re one of the unlucky 2% you need to pay more?

Usually A/B testing is just on the surface, and when you actually subscribe you get the "better" terms of the possible options. Like, they're just advertising different terms to test how many people would still click on it and very likely start the subscription process, but after they click they go back to the usual terms. Changing the whole payment flow, account models and permissions in their backend just for a qui…

I don't think anyone is questioning the idea of A/B testing in general, but we are confused how it works in practice when you are advertising a service. Can you give me an example of this happening elsewhere? Or are you saying it's so normalized that there would be no record or news articles about it, and this only is newsworthy because "AI"?

I have never heard of a company intentionally advertising less features to only some of their customers to see if they'll still bite.

And we still have no actual confirmation that Claude is giving people who fall into that 2% of testers the full service, as opposed to the advertised one.

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by adastra22 »

sroussey wrote: post #453
lelanthran wrote: post #447

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None of the companies I deal with (~40) are on the API. Some where, but that experiment lasted a month. Until they go public, we are all just guessing.

CC has such egregious API subsidies that it’s hard to not to leverage it unless the license tells an enterprise otherwise. Love the subsidized pricing while it lasts.

What API subsidy? What are you talking about?

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by adastra22 »

well_ackshually wrote: post #495
solenoid0937 wrote: post #441

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Most real businesses are on API billing, not Max.

If your definition of "real businesses" is "Fortune 500, US based tech company with more money than sense or just happy to bleed VC money", sure, 99.999% of businesses are not real businesses. You may also have a very narrow view of how the world actually works, left as an exercise to the reader to figure out which one it is

Fortune 500 and VC money are disjoint sets.
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