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All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by catlikesshrimp »

lsbehe wrote: post #617
codedokode wrote: post #613

It's a good move, but that is not enough. My old Chinese phone had a replaceable battery but it lasted so long that after it died, it was not possible to find the replacement. It seems that all phones have batteries with different sizes, and potentially different third pin designation, so even if you find smaller battery, it still can be incompatible because of third pin. So if you want phones to be usable for longer…

While standardization would be nice, I can still order batteries for the Samsung phones I've used 15 years ago. Availability might not be that much of an issue with larger brands.

As long as those unused batteries you can find are fresh a 15 year old unused battery would be doa

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by Alive-in-2025 »

gf000 wrote: post #471
Alive-in-2025 wrote: post #332

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I also want headphone jacks back - which I'm sure will be less popular here than batteries. We used to have waterproof phones with both. I'm not sure about the rules around required ability but I'd like that too

Phones back then were definitely not as durable as modern ones. Whether you like it or not, it's easier to waterproof a completely insulated system.

I do recognize that not having headphone jacks make it easier to waterproof phones.

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by NalNezumi »

For context to HN readers reading all the naysayer comments: Here's old HN post about EU and USB-C regulation

"EU reaches deal to make USB-C a common charger for most electronic devices"

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31652291

And 1 year later: "Apple says iPhones will switch to USB-C chargers to comply with new EU law"

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33358353

It's interesting to see almost all the exact sentiment. I think barring some niches, most people are happy with USB-C transition.

I understand the scepticism but the expectation of "perfection" from regulators (incremental improvement disliked) while fanfare for incremental startup / tech improvement is a weird, cognitive dissonance of HN

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by kolinko »

rythie wrote: post #584

It’s been long enough that people of forgotten what’s it’s like. Cameras still have replaceable batteries, there are several benefits: I can have two (or more) batteries, if it runs out I just change it. I don’t need walk around with a USB battery pack and cable hanging off the device preventing me from using it properly. I can put the battery on charge somewhere and leave it, even if not completely secure, because j…

With cameras you don't care about every mm of width, nor about how resistant it is to falls. With phones you do.

I, for one, don't welcome that change. I'd be ok with paying someone a bit extra to replace the battery. I mean, I'd be ok if I had a battery die in my phone in the last 10 years, which I don't remember it did.

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by jolmg »

catlikesshrimp wrote: post #621
lsbehe wrote: post #617

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While standardization would be nice, I can still order batteries for the Samsung phones I've used 15 years ago. Availability might not be that much of an issue with larger brands.

As long as those unused batteries you can find are fresh a 15 year old unused battery would be doa

There's an aftermarket for phone batteries. They're new batteries produced by what I imagine are unaffiliated manufacturers. As long as the phone is popular enough, there should be enough market for manufacturers to make new batteries.

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by aucisson_masque »

NalNezumi wrote: post #624

For context to HN readers reading all the naysayer comments: Here's old HN post about EU and USB-C regulation "EU reaches deal to make USB-C a common charger for most electronic devices" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31652291 And 1 year later: "Apple says iPhones will switch to USB-C chargers to comply with new EU law" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33358353 It's interesting to see almost all the exact s…

I still remember the people arguing that lightning is just fine and we don't need usb-c. It's true, they existed.

Nowadays, good luck to find someone arguing that lightning iphones are better than usb-c.

I guess it would cost them dearly to recognize that they owe that to the eu regulation.

In the us they say vote with your wallet, obviously it didn't work..

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by kolinko »

Shacklz wrote: post #261
proee wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This could be "fixed" right now by a software update that limits the maximum charge level to 80% of capacity. However, this comes at the cost of how many minutes of runtime your phone can operate. So manufactures might just responds to this by making your phone heavier with a bigger battery that is being under utilized.

Honestly we should define 80% as the new "100%" on such batteries and label "charging to full" as "overcharging". Psychologically, people understand charging a battery to "125%" (or whatever) a lot better: Do it when you really need to but if you do it all the time it wears down the battery a lot faster.

Nice idea. I think the reason it's not communicated as such is that then companies would be expected to advertise time on battery when charged to 100%, not 125%.

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by catlikesshrimp »

oblio wrote: post #525
Aachen wrote: post #257

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have more info about this? I recommended Motorola phones to people based on a combination of price, their needs, and expected longevity (at least 5y now with the new update and replacement part requirements). If that's not the case then I want to update my recommendations

https://single-market-economy.ec.europa.eu/news/new-eu-rules...

motorolanis not mentioned there

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by mavelikara »

aucisson_masque wrote: post #627
NalNezumi wrote: post #624

For context to HN readers reading all the naysayer comments: Here's old HN post about EU and USB-C regulation "EU reaches deal to make USB-C a common charger for most electronic devices" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31652291 And 1 year later: "Apple says iPhones will switch to USB-C chargers to comply with new EU law" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33358353 It's interesting to see almost all the exact s…

I still remember the people arguing that lightning is just fine and we don't need usb-c. It's true, they existed. Nowadays, good luck to find someone arguing that lightning iphones are better than usb-c. I guess it would cost them dearly to recognize that they owe that to the eu regulation. In the us they say vote with your wallet, obviously it didn't work..

> I still remember the people arguing that lightning is just fine and we don't need usb-c. It's true, they existed.

Before that, many of them argued that powerpcs were better than x86. :)

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