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Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

#621

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You aren't paying to be using that limit all of the time. You are paying to be using that limit some of the time. There are 5 hour windows when you are sleeping and can't use it. There are weekend limits. Theoretically you can max out every 5 hour window, but they lose money on that. It's structured so users can have bursts of unlimited usage, and spend ~15% of the theoretical max cap, and that's still cheaper than a…

How can an OpenClaw user use 6 times what a human subscriber is using when I'm four hours into the week and 15% of my weekly limit is already used up, just by coding? OpenClaw can't use 600% of my weekly limits.

Not sure what tier you're on.

Basically; spin up in the morning eats a lot of tokens because the cache is cold. This has actually gotten worse now that Opus supports a 1Mt context.

So: compact before closing up for the night (reduces the size of the cache that needs to be spun up); and the default cache life is 5 minutes, so keep a heartbeat running when you step away from the keyboard to keep the cache warm.

Also, things like web-research eat context like crazy. Keep those separate, and ask for an md report with the key findings to feed into your main.

This is not exhaustive list and it's potentially subtly wrong sometimes. But it's a good band-aid.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47616297

Know what's funny? Openclaw might actually burn less tokens than a naive claude code user; if configured correctly. %-/

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

#622

There seem to be a ton of people who don't understand how subscription services work. Every single one of them oversells their capacity. The power users that use the services a lot are subsidized by those who don't use it as much, which tends to be the vast majority of the user base. OpenClaw is an autonomous power user. The growing adoption of this walking attack surface was either going to A) cause the cost of Clau…

What you're saying is conceptually true for subscription services in general, but thats not why they are making this change. There's a 5 hour limit and a weekly limit. Those are hard token limits. Everyone on a plan pays for the max set of tokens in that plan. The limits manage capacity. The solution to that isn't a change of ToS, it's adjusting the limits. In other words this is about Anthropic subsidizing their own…

yes and then still subsidise subscriptions by an order of magnitude

its obvious they will tighten everything and raise prices for years to come

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

#623

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How can an OpenClaw user use 6 times what a human subscriber is using when I'm four hours into the week and 15% of my weekly limit is already used up, just by coding? OpenClaw can't use 600% of my weekly limits.

Not sure what tier you're on. Basically; spin up in the morning eats a lot of tokens because the cache is cold. This has actually gotten worse now that Opus supports a 1Mt context. So: compact before closing up for the night (reduces the size of the cache that needs to be spun up); and the default cache life is 5 minutes, so keep a heartbeat running when you step away from the keyboard to keep the cache warm. Also, t…

I'm on the $100 tier, but I don't use OpenClaw. My point is it can't use more than 100% of my limit, so "6-8x more" is only possible if you use 15% of your subscription normally.

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

#625

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Not sure what tier you're on. Basically; spin up in the morning eats a lot of tokens because the cache is cold. This has actually gotten worse now that Opus supports a 1Mt context. So: compact before closing up for the night (reduces the size of the cache that needs to be spun up); and the default cache life is 5 minutes, so keep a heartbeat running when you step away from the keyboard to keep the cache warm. Also, t…

I'm on the $100 tier, but I don't use OpenClaw. My point is it can't use more than 100% of my limit, so "6-8x more" is only possible if you use 15% of your subscription normally.

Right. I was editing to add more info. Possibly you already know the usage tricks I list above. The world is still very messy and not much is documented properly.

And I'm skeptical of the 6x-8x claim myself. They'd have to explain that in more detail.

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

#626

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm on the $100 tier, but I don't use OpenClaw. My point is it can't use more than 100% of my limit, so "6-8x more" is only possible if you use 15% of your subscription normally.

Right. I was editing to add more info. Possibly you already know the usage tricks I list above. The world is still very messy and not much is documented properly. And I'm skeptical of the 6x-8x claim myself. They'd have to explain that in more detail.

Oh actually the cache trick is neat, I hadn't considered it, thanks!

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

#627

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Yes and they will hide their sushi-grabbing because somewhere deep inside they know it's not part of the deal, while at the same time still strongly feeling that they have indeed paid for it. Ah, to be human!

I'd argue they hide their takeaway because of what GP comment said — not because of anything innate, but because a staff member will not let them. I grew up in an Asian household of six. We definitely took food home at AYCE places. My parents definitely knew it wasn't OK, but they felt like they were gaming the system (like a dubious life hack of sorts) and saving money, so they were actually quite proud of it, bragg…

I assume it's not unusual for thieves to brag about their scores.

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

#628

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I'd argue they hide their takeaway because of what GP comment said — not because of anything innate, but because a staff member will not let them. I grew up in an Asian household of six. We definitely took food home at AYCE places. My parents definitely knew it wasn't OK, but they felt like they were gaming the system (like a dubious life hack of sorts) and saving money, so they were actually quite proud of it, bragg…

I assume it's not unusual for thieves to brag about their scores.

Ah to be inhuman!

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

#629

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It seems like you have an impossible ask? Why not 4 subscriptions to last you 5 hours?

You are not allowed to use multiple accounts to bypass the rate limit. You can only use different accounts for different uses like a work account and then a personal account. You can't rotate through 5 for personal use.

Ah, I missed that. Guess that makes sense and is a reasonably fair way to limit excessive users.

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

#630

There seem to be a ton of people who don't understand how subscription services work. Every single one of them oversells their capacity. The power users that use the services a lot are subsidized by those who don't use it as much, which tends to be the vast majority of the user base. OpenClaw is an autonomous power user. The growing adoption of this walking attack surface was either going to A) cause the cost of Clau…

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