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Re: Oracle slashes 30k jobs

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Huh, layoffs in India? That's weird, because most tech companies are freezing headcount and laying off people in the US and increasing headcount in India. I wonder if that says something about the prospects of NetSuite, which is the org they've been cut from...

When I worked for Oracle in 2015 during my co-op there, IDC was generally just another office. NetSuite may be their focus, but I think they generally cover almost all Oracle software.

Re: Oracle slashes 30k jobs

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This is the unfair part. Quite often salary is reduced with the excuse of having stock options. So this is more like a cut in earned salary along with getting fired.

Since moving to NYC, I'm surprisingly close to cashflow neutral. The cost of living is crazy expensive here. I'm for sure timing my exit based on the vesting schedule.

Just an FYI, if you're ok with not being in Manhattan or the cool parts of Brooklyn, it's really not that bad.

I live pretty far east in Brooklyn. I'm still only a few blocks away from a train; apartments in this area, even with a bedroom, can go for less than $2,000/month. Not "cheap" but not unlivable either.

Re: Oracle slashes 30k jobs

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Let's not forget that ORACLE is actually an acronym.

Is it? Based on what I've seen online the company name was derived from a CIA project from the 1970s that the founders worked on, but it doesn't seem to be based on an acronym. There was an earlier unrelated project from the 1950s which used ORACLE as an acronym ("Oak Ridge Automatic Computer and Logical Engine"). If this is a joke, I clearly don't get it!

I think the intention was a joke: One Rich A*hole Called Larry Elison.

Re: Oracle slashes 30k jobs

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Ethical Dillemas. You found the cure of cancer. If you release it now, you'd giving back humanity millions of LifeYears, but if you release it in a few years, Larry Elison won't be able to take advantage of it. How do you proceed?

Release the patent and specify a very strict "free usage for anyone not named Larry Ellison, and violators will be punished to the fullest extent of the law" clause.

You'd probably get a few innocent people aren't the Larry Ellison from Oracle, but it's a start.

Re: Oracle slashes 30k jobs

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> A job today isn’t (and shouldn’t be) any guarantee of a job tomorrow. Also relationships, kids and stability. Spend all your life in perpetual anxiety, rent all your life, you will own nothing and be happy! Also, here’s a bowl of insect protein while we’re at it.

You want the government to force employers to provide a social safety net rather than the government providing it directly? The problem isn't that people can be fired, it's that their food, housing, and medical care are all dependent on or provided through their employer.

> A job today isn’t (*and shouldn’t be*) any guarantee of a job tomorrow.

This is nonsense and shouldn’t be normalized.

Re: Oracle slashes 30k jobs

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"At the time, MySQL existed ..." You had to be careful with MySQL back then as constraints were syntactic sugar but not enforced. PostgreSQL was indeed much tougher to manage but more full-featured.

I love Postgres in 2026, but it really was not a viable enterprise option before 2010. MySQL had decent binlog replication starting in 2000 which made up for a lot of the horrible warts it had.

mysql was great in 2000 if you knew all the foot guns to avoid and set it up correctly (and not just what sounded correct).

Re: Oracle slashes 30k jobs

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What's about DB2? I have no experience with it but I guess IBM specifically designed it for enterprise-scale transaction processing workloads...

DB2 was crazy good for certain use cases but very weird. For one, the pattern for DB2 efficiency was pretty much the exact opposite of every other database. Every other database would say "Normalize your tables, use BCNF, blah blah, small reference tables, special indices etc". DB2, the pattern was "denormalize everything into one gigantic wide table". If you did that it was insanely fast for the time and could handl…

I have not had much experience with DB2, but given that the relational data model and normalization was invented at IBM (Codd) and IBM's implemenation of those concepts was DB2, DB2 performing poorly with a normalized data model seems strange.

My recollection was that DB2 did not support multi version concurrency control like Oracle and Postgres did. The result was a lot of lock contention with DB2 if you were not careful. MVCC was eventually added to DB2, but by then it was too late.

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Oracle and Java are deeply embedded in US gov work. How deep? Let's just say a large number of classified developer jobs hire for Java. Ellison has been a huge proponent of a surveillance state, and that likely ingratiates him with certain three letter agencies. The only developers I know who write Java full time work in systems that take pictures of things from far away.

Apple used Java in a ton of backend stuff. At least the entire backend for iTunes (Jingle) was written in Java and very very small amount of Clojure.

iCloud is mostly Java (or was, about 10 years ago when I was there)

Re: Oracle slashes 30k jobs

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I think this sucks for the people being laid off but what exactly should they be held accountable for? It's not like over-hiring or laying people off is a crime. The employees presumably knew the deal going in (that they could be laid off). They got compensated for the time they worked. No one owed them a job at Oracle in the first place. (Again, not to diminish how bad it feels / shocking it can be to be laid off!)

making wrong decisions at work has no consequences for you? where do you work?

Politics.
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