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ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Post by matchagaucho »

vlovich123 wrote: post #295
MyNameIsNickT wrote: post #49

Hey! I'm Nick, and I work on Integrity at OpenAI. These checks are part of how we protect our first-party products from abuse like bots, scraping, fraud, and other attempts to misuse the platform. A big reason we invest in this is because we want to keep free and logged-out access available for more users. My team’s goal is to help make sure the limited GPU resources are going to real users. We also keep a very close…

That still doesn’t explain why you can’t even start typing until that check proceeds. You could condition the outbound request from being processed until that’s the case. But preventing from typing seems like it’s just worse UX and the problem will fail to appear in any metrics you can track because you have no way of measuring “how quickly would the user have submitted their request without all this other stuff in t…

Keyboard response feels 10x slower in ChatGPT Projects (possibly for reasons other than react state).

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Post by m3kw9 »

vlovich123 wrote: post #295
MyNameIsNickT wrote: post #49

Hey! I'm Nick, and I work on Integrity at OpenAI. These checks are part of how we protect our first-party products from abuse like bots, scraping, fraud, and other attempts to misuse the platform. A big reason we invest in this is because we want to keep free and logged-out access available for more users. My team’s goal is to help make sure the limited GPU resources are going to real users. We also keep a very close…

That still doesn’t explain why you can’t even start typing until that check proceeds. You could condition the outbound request from being processed until that’s the case. But preventing from typing seems like it’s just worse UX and the problem will fail to appear in any metrics you can track because you have no way of measuring “how quickly would the user have submitted their request without all this other stuff in t…

Because the way they have the server architecture setup and how it loads the screen. You don’t even want all the bots hitting servers

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Post by Imustaskforhelp »

miyuru wrote: post #357
davidkunz wrote: post #354

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's still possible to let users already type from the beginning, just delay sending the characters until checks are complete. Hold them in memory until then.

Instagram was uploading the images while the user were adding post details, back in 2012! https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3913919 No one seem to use or care about their own product anymore. Only uses dashboard and metrics, which does not explain the full situation.

This was actually one of the reasons why Instagram felt smooth.

Another thing but Facebook/Instagram have also detected if a person uploads an image and then deletes it and recognizes that they are insecure, and in case of TEENAGE girls, actually then have it as their profile (that they are insecure) and show them beauty products....

I really like telling this example because people in real life/even online get so shocked, I mean they know facebook is bad but they don't know this bad.

[Also a bit offtopic, but I really like how the item?id=3913919 the 391 came twice :-) , its a good item id ]

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Post by mike_hearn »

electroly wrote: post #611
mike_hearn wrote: post #608

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The network request to Cloudfare is part of the JavaScript (in effect).

I don't think that's true in this case; the React application loads first, fully initializes, and then sends its state via Cloudflare request. It can't happen at the same time, by design. It has to happen serially. The article's claim is that you can't type during this second request. Frankly, I wonder if this is actually true at all. The article did not demonstrate this, and there's no problem if you can actually in…

OK, I haven't looked at the exact sequencing here. But generally, once the action goes back to the anti-abuse service for checking the user can't be allowed to change what they're submitting. The view the anti-abuse system saw has to match what the app server sees.

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Post by plutokras »

mcmcmc wrote: post #593
raincole wrote: post #319

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quite sure even literal thieves would consider thievery a form of abuse.

What’s being stolen? AI output isn’t copyrightable, and it’s not like they’re ripping pages out of a book

They can train on the outputs i.e. distillation attacks.

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Post by balkanist »

tosh wrote: post #289

It used to be possible to type immediately while the page is loading and have all key presses end up in the input field. Why run this check before user can type? Why not run it later like before the message gets sent to the server?

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Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Post by xg15 »

MyNameIsNickT wrote: post #49

Hey! I'm Nick, and I work on Integrity at OpenAI. These checks are part of how we protect our first-party products from abuse like bots, scraping, fraud, and other attempts to misuse the platform. A big reason we invest in this is because we want to keep free and logged-out access available for more users. My team’s goal is to help make sure the limited GPU resources are going to real users. We also keep a very close…

> how we protect our first-party products from abuse like bots, scraping, fraud, and other attempts to misuse the platform.

Are you applying the same standards to your own scraper bots?

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Post by [deleted] »

halflife wrote: post #70
MyNameIsNickT wrote: post #49

Hey! I'm Nick, and I work on Integrity at OpenAI. These checks are part of how we protect our first-party products from abuse like bots, scraping, fraud, and other attempts to misuse the platform. A big reason we invest in this is because we want to keep free and logged-out access available for more users. My team’s goal is to help make sure the limited GPU resources are going to real users. We also keep a very close…

Don’t know if it’s related to the article, but the chats ui performance becomes absolutely horrendous in long chats. Typing the chat box is slow, rendering lags and sometimes gets stuck altogether. I have a research chat that I have to think twice before messaging because the performance is so bad. Running on iPhone 16 safari, and MacBook Pro m3 chrome.

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