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Post by MrSkelter »

vrganj wrote: post #143

> As a source puts it, the French said: "Would you like more soldiers? You could have them. Would you like more naval support? You could have that. Would you like more air support? You could have that too." Thank God for the French. I long thought their strong Gaullist stance on sovereignty was a bit silly in today's world, but turns out they were right along. Europe can't trust any outside powers. Any external depen…

As a Brit it’s been very obvious CdG was right since the start.

The final straw was almost 50 years ago when Thatcher gave up the UKs space program and satellite plans in favor of giving the money, in cash, to the US.

In return for paying for 1/3 of the keyhole satellite network Regan said we could borrow them when needed.

Then we asked to use them to look at the Falklands and Regan said no.

That was the same period where we traded British missile technology for renting D5s from America. So though we make and own our own nuclear warheads, the delivery systems are American and must be returned to the US for maintenance on a regular basis. Essentially robbing the UK of an independent deterrent.

I am all for unilateral nuclear disarmament but if we are going to have nukes in the current climate they should be entirely homegrown and independent.

The British support of the US military industrial complex doesn’t benefit the UK as it means we have no ability to act alone or in opposition to the US. We are as dependent on resupply as the Israelis.

Obviously that’s great for the US.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by roncesvalles »

estearum wrote: post #295
ekianjo wrote: post #270

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> Thank God for the French France has nowhere the military power to resist a country like the US. They have not invested in the military for a very long time and most of their equipment is completely outdated.

Ah but alas: have you considered that the US is increasingly run by actual idiots? It turns out even Iran has the power to resist a country like the US.

America below the President and his appointees is an unbelievable dream team. That's why the whole machine works, regardless of who is at the top.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by vrganj »

heraldgeezer wrote: post #617
morgoo wrote: post #615

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Ukraine gave up their nukes due to American assurances as to Ukraine's defence.

Not this talking point again... I am very pro Ukraine, but those nukes where never "Ukranian", they where Soviet nukes, staffed and manned and made by Russia. This is like if USA puts nukes in Sweden under NATO, are they suddenly Swedish nukes? No.

Nah, this is like if the US puts nuke in California and the US falls apart.

Are they Californian nukes or DC nukes? Possession is nine-tenths of the law...

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Post by philipallstar »

jfengel wrote: post #133
philipallstar wrote: post #59

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Yes. That is why Biden dropped out. But the unprincipled are talking as if he was the candidate in 2024.

He was the Democrat nominee in 2024, and all the shills were saying[0] he was extremely competent and focused still. It's only when he actually finally appeared on television suddenly Kamala Harris - not even a 2024 nominee, I don't think, and got zero votes in 2020 - was pushed in to replace the democratically nominated representative with a party elite-anointed one.

[0] https://nypost.com/2025/05/20/media/msnbcs-joe-scarborough-f...

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Post by estearum »

roncesvalles wrote: post #622
estearum wrote: post #295

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Ah but alas: have you considered that the US is increasingly run by actual idiots? It turns out even Iran has the power to resist a country like the US.

America below the President and his appointees is an unbelievable dream team. That's why the whole machine works, regardless of who is at the top.

I agree in principle but actually much of this system has been gutted in horrific and hard-to-reverse ways.

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Post by fifilura »

jacquesm wrote: post #553
fifilura wrote: post #182

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Maybe a bit of learned helplessness, but what people tend to forget is that an all-in Russia is a formidable enemy. This is the moment it helps to have allies. Like an insurance. Even if you can manage without, it hurts less if you have them. To me it makes more sense to focus on that perspective.

> but what people tend to forget is that an all-in Russia is a formidable enemy So you're saying they've been keeping their best in reserve?

No

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by tpm »

roncesvalles wrote: post #622
estearum wrote: post #295

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Ah but alas: have you considered that the US is increasingly run by actual idiots? It turns out even Iran has the power to resist a country like the US.

America below the President and his appointees is an unbelievable dream team. That's why the whole machine works, regardless of who is at the top.

For now, but it's working less and less well as the rot spreads.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by srean »

pezezin wrote: post #585
srean wrote: post #482

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Perhaps a Hebrew word would have been the most appropriate in this case. Holocaust is an English word and it is not a proper noun. In any case it's too late to change anything. Upvoted because I think your comment was downvoted out of emotions this topic triggers.

It is actually a Greek word, that's why it is the same in most other languages. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_(sacrifice)

Thanks. I did not know about the etymological roots.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by closewith »

jacquesm wrote: post #581
closewith wrote: post #576

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This is absolute fantasy. Stockpiles are only depleting, production hasn't and won't come close to meeting demand, and until there's a shooting war inside the bloc, it won't.

Unless you are privy to secrets at a level that they contradict the EU official figures + the figures from the defense contractors that I am tracking this is as accurate as I can make it. I do not have access to information from the military other than what gets published but that's good enough for me as long as I don't see contradictions. Here is one article from a while ago: https://www.defensenews.com/global/europ…

The ~2M figure was a 2025 EOY nameplate capacity target, not actual output for the year. Even those capacity numbers are widely overstated - it’s well known in defence circles (where you claim to be) that real capacity is running at about 40% of official claims, with some shortfalls being made up by international procurement, but the majority remaining unfulfilled.

As for EU motivations, Orbán is the visible blocker, but the Western states are even more constraining than Hungary. It’s Spain, Ireland, Germany, France, etc. that have no appetite for war or economic upheaval, which would immediately topple governments across the bloc. EU defence policy requires unanimity across states, and it doesn’t exist.

Rhetoric is strong but thin, and almost everybody apart from yourself sees it. Let’s come back to this in a year, when production figures and defence spending for 2025 become public and see.

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Post by iso1631 »

tartuffe78 wrote: post #296
iso1631 wrote: post #273

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> This is not about a single President or party I've seen roughly two types of American commentators over the last year. The ones that cheer this stuff going on, which HN has plenty of, and the ones that think "come the midterms/2028/impeachment everything will go back to normal" The latter are massively mistaken, it would take decades for the US to rebuild its standing in the eyes of the world, and there is no evide…

He is also a singular political figure. I don't think things will go back to normal, but they won't stay the way there are now.

If it wasn't Trump it would be someone else.

There are very few people in history that are that pivotal individually. Had Franz Ferdinand not been shot, something else would have sparked WW1. Had Hitler not existed, then someone else would have emerged.

Maybe Churchill was more of a pivot than most, had the UK gone for Hastings after Chamberlain then perhaps the UK would have sued for peace, allowing Germany to fully concentrate on Russia, but it's still a stretch to have Germany ultimately prevailing over Stalin.

Had the US not won independence in 1776 (which is unlikely to be the sole cause of a single person), it would have been gained anyway, just like the other new world colonies from Canada to Brazil.

The conditions that exist are far bigger than one man

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