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I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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Post by muyuu »

jodrellblank wrote: post #571
muyuu wrote: post #344

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you didn't get to read all post did you there are bits, but the total package is cancer

yes I did read all your post. It seems to have incorrect claims. > " i completely reject it, because people seem to believe it's there to protect any rights " Under "Your rights" section on the UK government website you can see that it grants you rights, so people have good reason to believe that: https://www.gov.uk/data-protection How does it nag people? How does it legitimise dark patterns? What is in it regarding…

> Under "Your rights" section on the UK government website you can see that it grants you rights, so people have good reason to believe that: https://www.gov.uk/data-protection

you are soft in the head if you believe that, there's no argument to be had

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Post by duxup »

bArray wrote: post #6

I was sitting in a room the other day with a young adult, we were searching for additional algorithm learning materials. They searched in Google, and accept the cookies. They clicked on a website, and accepted those cookies too. They then started entering their email address to access another service. I was completely taken aback. I'm the sort of person that either rejects the cookies, or will use another site entire…

The whole process is a hassle.

I shouldn’t have to deal with leagal-ish agreements for every website I visit.

The entire regulation bureaucratic and nonsensical to individuals.

Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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Post by mixmastamyk »

aembleton wrote: post #588
mixmastamyk wrote: post #539

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Cookies tie the history together across sites, at the other end.

So do browser fingerprints

If cookies weren’t needed, they wouldn’t get used. Stop being a party to your own slavery.

Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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Post by mghackerlady »

tkzed49 wrote: post #489
mghackerlady wrote: post #480

The only way I can think of to do this completely anonymously (at least for the government and social media) is for you to buy a card in cash that has a little code on it. You'd need your ID to buy it, and you'd put your code into your operating system and things that demand age verification can ask the OS whether or not you're over 18. Alternatively, you can give the service your code to verify your age, but that wo…

Can I buy them for my underage friends at different stores? Is there revocation and hence a database that maps codes to identities? How are the codes minted? Can I pretend to be a gas station and buy a big pack of ID cards, then just not check ID?

That kind of thing is for someone with governing experience to solve. I suppose revoking them every now and then would be good, and maybe for ease of minting new unique codes they could loosely be tied to location. I'm not too worried about that, as your IP could be used in a similar way and the services shouldn't be reading the codes themselves regularly anyway

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Post by kubb »

gzread wrote: post #614
_heimdall wrote: post #598

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I don't know the specific case you're referring to, though that's far from the only fine or arrest in the UK related to social media posts. https://www.thetimes.com/uk/crime/article/police-make-30-arr...

This is paywalled. What were the posts?

They are arguably over policing because of vague laws and proactive enforcement. Most cases don’t lead to convictions. But all cases I’ve ever seen were for something bad like calling for violence, making fun of someone’s death. For free speech absolutists this is unacceptable, but it’s not arbitrary tyranny.

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Post by citizenpaul »

cortesoft wrote: post #618
citizenpaul wrote: post #579

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>vote matters... If you only pay attention to national elections sure. Tons of local and state elections come down to a couple hundred votes all the time.

Even coming down to a couple of hundred votes still means your single vote doesn’t matter. It technically only matters if it comes down to one vote.

ehhh... You are getting really pedantic here. Your argument is basically well voting doesn't matter so we should have a dictatorship instead of democracy. Your vote does matter in the aggregate, its not supposed to be a 1:1 outcome. Its an aggregate process. You don't measure the speed of each tire on a car you just measure the car speed overall.

I guess if your position really is votes don't count unless its the one to tip the scale no one would be debating you because its irrelevant. Maybe lead with that.

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Post by asdfman123 »

gzread wrote: post #610
asdfman123 wrote: post #239

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The late 90s internet was filled with predators, skeeziness, and viruses that would break your computer and require a reformatting. That stuff is still there if you look for it, but it's not on your social media feeds or in any of the apps provided through app stores.

They don't break your computer. They still do all the other bad stuff.

It's really not the same magnitude at all. It's much harder to run into those problems now.

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Post by jcgl »

jstanley wrote: post #174
bmacho wrote: post #100

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> How would you implement ability to arbitrarily block any network connection on any website without giving an extension 100% access? Browsers should provide a filtering option before they makes a request. IMO a lot of no-brainer options are missing from personal computers. Like the ability to start a program with restricted access to files, network or OS calls (on Windows and on Linux). Browsers should provide the a…

We do sort of have that with the capabilities stuff (although I admit hardly anyone knows how to use it). But the tricky part is that "reading files" is done all the time in ways you might not think of as "reading files". For example loading dynamic libraries involves reading files. Making network connections involves reading files (resolv.conf, hosts). Formatting text for a specific locale involves reading files. Wo…

Capabilities are craaaazy coarse on Linux. Really only a small piece of the sandboxing puzzle. Flatpak, Bubblewrap, and Firejail each provide an overall fuller view of what sandboxing can be.

Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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Post by renjimen »

uyzstvqs wrote: post #555
renjimen wrote: post #371

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It's only effective if "Children's devices are almost always set up by parents", which is a big assumption. My parents were about as tech savvy as you could reasonably expect but I still got away with buying R-rated video games and such. Kids are persistent and the dangers aren't always obvious.

If kids are being persistent and the parent is indifferent to it, then online age verification won't be effective either. Children will just ask mom and dad to verify their Roblox and Discord accounts.

For sure, I'm not blanket supporting age verification technology. Just saying the alternative proposed by the parent commenter isn't very reliable either.

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Post by renjimen »

cubefox wrote: post #453
renjimen wrote: post #371

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It's only effective if "Children's devices are almost always set up by parents", which is a big assumption. My parents were about as tech savvy as you could reasonably expect but I still got away with buying R-rated video games and such. Kids are persistent and the dangers aren't always obvious.

The question is whether parents should bear this responsibility or the state.

Both. The same as for other materials we don't want kids to access, like alcohol. We can't expect parents to always be watching their kids. That's not how societies have ever worked.

But what I'm actually questioning in my comment above is effectiveness of the technology solution proposed at the device level.

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