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Re: IDF killed Gaza aid workers at point blank range in 2025 massacre: Report

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Post by BurningFrog »

austin-cheney wrote: post #592
TacticalCoder wrote: post #560

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Don’t forget the “all they have to do is return the hostages” line So there's zero link whatsoever between Hamas executing 1200 civilians on Oct 7th, taking 200 hostages, and the following war (and war crimes) of Israel? Israel literally unilaterally began a war and committed war crimes without any act of aggression? And from the moment 200 hostages had been taken, many of whom died in captivity, everything was car…

Actually a large number of those 1200 were killed by Israeli incendiary rounds fired from helicopters due to Operation Hannibal. It’s why the estimates kept getting rounded down from an initial 1500, because many of the bodies were too badly incinerated to be counted accurately.

The investigation into this found 14 deaths from Hannibal Directive actions. Mostly firing on vehicles carrying hostages.

Report: https://www.un.org/unispal/document/coi-report-a-hrc-56-26-2...

Re: IDF killed Gaza aid workers at point blank range in 2025 massacre: Report

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Post by ceejayoz »

TacticalCoder wrote: post #581
porjo wrote: post #501

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The real question is: why is this on hacker news with 4 digits upvotes and why has Gaza been on Hacker News non-stop while there's been hardly any coverage of the islamist republic of Iran slaughtering tens of thousands of unarmed civilians in a matter of days. And I already know that although there's been very little coverage so far of what's happened in Iran, where islamists have been executing people inside hospit…

> The real question is: why is this on hacker news with 4 digits upvotes and why has Gaza been on Hacker News non-stop while there's been hardly any coverage of the islamist republic of Iran slaughtering tens of thousands of unarmed civilians in a matter of days.

900 points, 800 comments: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46760329

400 points, 380 comments: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46761822

And some others: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=pastMonth&page=0&prefix=tr...

(And this one, at least, has the interesting little bit about echolocation from a cell phone video being used to verify events. I find that neat, technologically.)

Re: IDF killed Gaza aid workers at point blank range in 2025 massacre: Report

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Post by BurningFrog »

xg15 wrote: post #591
TacticalCoder wrote: post #560

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Don’t forget the “all they have to do is return the hostages” line So there's zero link whatsoever between Hamas executing 1200 civilians on Oct 7th, taking 200 hostages, and the following war (and war crimes) of Israel? Israel literally unilaterally began a war and committed war crimes without any act of aggression? And from the moment 200 hostages had been taken, many of whom died in captivity, everything was car…

If they wanted to go after Hamas, why did they employ methods of combat that were guaranteed to affect civilians, like cutting off the entire strip from food supply? Or the massacre that this thread is about for that matter?

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Re: IDF killed Gaza aid workers at point blank range in 2025 massacre: Report

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Post by ceejayoz »

YZF wrote: post #620
igravious wrote: post #604

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There was a second part to that which is "and surrender". Honest question. Why should they surrender? > Most or all of it in response to violations of the ceasefire by Hamas. A complete and utter inversion of reality. First page of Google results for: Israel ceasefire violations “How many times has Israel violated the Gaza ceasefire? Here are the numbers: Since the ceasefire took effect, Israeli attacks have killed…

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> This is from Gemini

Oh, no. Really?

Come on. Prompt it differently ("Have there been ceasefire violations in Gaza by the Israelis?") and you get this:

> As of February 24, 2026, there have been numerous and well-documented reports of ceasefire violations by the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) in Gaza. While a ceasefire framework has been in place since October 2025, it remains extremely fragile, with both sides frequently accusing the other of breaching the terms.

> Israel has been accused of failing to allow the agreed-upon volume of aid. Reports suggest only 43% of the 600 promised daily aid trucks and about 15% of the required fuel are entering the Strip.

> In December 2025, the US reportedly rebuked Israel for a missile strike that assassinated a high-level Hamas commander, deeming it a violation of the "Comprehensive Plan" framework.

etc.

Don't forget moving the Yellow Line: https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/how-israel-moved-i... https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ckgxl6zkenqo

What was your prompt?

Re: IDF killed Gaza aid workers at point blank range in 2025 massacre: Report

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Post by rngfnby »

ceejayoz wrote: post #127

I remember when folks here were shilling the "Israel promises they'd never bomb a hospital" and "Hamas is lying about the death toll" lines. All the hospitals are now rubble, and the IDF quietly let it slip that the death toll is legit recently. https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2026-01-29/ty-article/.p... There's damning video of this specific incident, recovered from the dead. I suspect subsequent massacres made…

It's important to note that the official death toll, acknowledged by the IDF, are of those whose bodies have been recovered.

Nor has the genocide stopped.

Re: IDF killed Gaza aid workers at point blank range in 2025 massacre: Report

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Post by ceejayoz »

BurningFrog wrote: post #621
austin-cheney wrote: post #592

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually a large number of those 1200 were killed by Israeli incendiary rounds fired from helicopters due to Operation Hannibal. It’s why the estimates kept getting rounded down from an initial 1500, because many of the bodies were too badly incinerated to be counted accurately.

The investigation into this found 14 deaths from Hannibal Directive actions. Mostly firing on vehicles carrying hostages. Report: https://www.un.org/unispal/document/coi-report-a-hrc-56-26-2...

Keep reading, you're missing the next sentences.

> The Commission also verified information indicating that, in at least two other cases, ISF had likely applied the Hannibal Directive, resulting in the killing of up to 14 Israeli civilians. One woman was killed by ISF helicopter fire while being abducted from Nir Oz to Gaza by militants. In another case the Commission found that Israeli tank fire killed some or all of the 13 civilian hostages held in a house in Be’eri.

> The Commission found that Israeli authorities prioritised identifying victims, notifying families and allowing for burial rather than forensic investigation, leading to evidence of crimes, especially sexual crimes, not being collected and preserved. The Commission also notes the loss of potential evidence due to inadequately trained first responders.

(That I'm completely fine with. But it presents challenges for verifying incidents, which probably means it's an undercount.)

> Mostly firing on vehicles carrying hostages.

That is the Hannibal Directive; "the kidnapping must be stopped by all means, even at the price of striking and harming our own forces". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannibal_Directive

Re: IDF killed Gaza aid workers at point blank range in 2025 massacre: Report

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Post by KennyBlanken »

snypher wrote: post #506

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Comparing to their own rituals and practices around corpses it really goes to show just how thoroughly they have dehumanized the Palestinian people.

Israel long since stopped using smart bombs because a)they were too expensive and b)they didn't really give a shit who died in them executing someone a black-box AI decided was a terrorist (an AI they know is wildly inaccurate.) But even the smart bombs - they didn't care if they wiped out an entire family just to kill one person.

They even have snipers focusing on children. Doctors from international aid organizations working in the hospitals noticed that they were seeing a large number of children were showing up with few injuries/wounds except nearly identical head/chest wounds, and that not many adults were coming in with such injuries.

Targeting and prioritizing killing children has only one purpose: extermination.

Re: IDF killed Gaza aid workers at point blank range in 2025 massacre: Report

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Post by TurdF3rguson »

harimau777 wrote: post #586
TacticalCoder wrote: post #560

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Don’t forget the “all they have to do is return the hostages” line So there's zero link whatsoever between Hamas executing 1200 civilians on Oct 7th, taking 200 hostages, and the following war (and war crimes) of Israel? Israel literally unilaterally began a war and committed war crimes without any act of aggression? And from the moment 200 hostages had been taken, many of whom died in captivity, everything was car…

The issue isn't whether or not Israel started it. It's the genocide they did once it started.

It's really about motive and targeting. Were they trying to get the hostages back or just kill people randomly? Were they targeting Hamas or aid workers?

Re: IDF killed Gaza aid workers at point blank range in 2025 massacre: Report

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Post by BurningFrog »

ceejayoz wrote: post #127

I remember when folks here were shilling the "Israel promises they'd never bomb a hospital" and "Hamas is lying about the death toll" lines. All the hospitals are now rubble, and the IDF quietly let it slip that the death toll is legit recently. https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2026-01-29/ty-article/.p... There's damning video of this specific incident, recovered from the dead. I suspect subsequent massacres made…

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