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Re: An AI agent published a hit piece on me – more things have happened

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I see the capitalism vs socialism as a spectrum with valid debate all along it. I don't see how one honestly argues in favor of an authoritarian government

Ahh, you must be using the rational definition of socialism and not the extremist corrupted use as cover for dictators.

I always try to go for the rational version of stuff

Re: An AI agent published a hit piece on me – more things have happened

#622
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Ars Technica being caught using LLMs that hallucinated quotes by the author and then publishing them in their coverage about this is quite ironic here. Even on a forum where I saw the original article by this author posted someone used an LLM to summarize the piece without having read it fully themselves. How many levels of outsourcing thinking is occurring to where it becomes a game of telephone.

Also ironic: When the same professionals advocating "don't look at the code anymore" and "it's just the next level of abstraction" respond with outrage to a journalist giving them an unchecked article. Read through the comments here and mentally replace "journalist" with "developer" and wonder about the standards and expectations in play. Food for thought on whether the users who rely on our software might feel simil…

> the same professionals

Same forum, not necessary same people.

Re: An AI agent published a hit piece on me – more things have happened

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I don't see that.

HN has also been taking a turn lately. Part of it is a large influx of new users, part of it (I suspect) is just a growing disenfranchisement with the technology scene. I'm partly to blame for this as well. I've tried to stop commenting most of the time since my first and strongest response has just been to express my anger and frustration at the direction most technology is taking.

If you have a computer, a static IP address, basic programming ability, and an eye for quality, you have the power to make things better.

Re: An AI agent published a hit piece on me – more things have happened

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What's the deal with the settlers? That's really where I lose all faith Isreal has good intentions.

I understand from your comment, please correct me if I misunderstood, that you oppose Jews building houses in the West Bank.

The West Bank is a part of the state of Israel that was occupied by Jordanian forces from 1948 to 1967. It was then captured by Israel and many Israelis, many of whom lived there before it was occupied by Jordan, moved (back) there.

The West Bank was settled by both Arabs and Jews before 1948 - for literally thousands of years Jews had lived there. In 1856 many more Jews and Arabs began moving there due to changes in Ottoman law meant to encourage settlement of the area (the Ottomans needed tax revenue). It should be noted that Jerusalem was Jewish majority even before the Ottoman land laws changed in 1856. In 1936 there was a large Arab slaughtering of Jews in Hebron, so many Jews were evacuated from Hebron. In 1948 the Arabs rejected the UN partition plan, and started a war. Israel won that war, and thus became the sole successor state of Mandatory Palestine. Jordan occupied part of that successor state (the West Bank). In 1952 (I may have the year wrong) the Arab league declared that no Arab assistance would be provided to those displaced in the war, because only the suffering of those displaced will cause the destruction of the Zionist Entity. In 1964 the Soviets advised a group to represent the Arabs of the West Bank, the Gaza strip, and those displaced in 1948, and that group adopted the name Palestinians to refer to the populations it represents. Israel conquered the Jordanian-occupied territory in 1967 after Jordan attacked Israel, two months later the Arab League adopted it's policy of No Peace, No Negotiation, No Recognition of Israel. In 1995 the West Bank was divided into separate areas. Predominantly Arab areas were given autonomy for self rule, under the Palestinian Authority (mostly PLO) with the intention of all parties to see the establishment of an Arab state called Palestine after final borders and other issues are agreed. Predominantly Jewish areas have Israeli rule redeclared in three year cycles, pending final border agreements. Every single final border solution has been rejected by the Arab side, who have also employed extreme violence both in rhetoric and in actions.

Where in all this are the Jews who live in the West Bank a reason to "lose all faith" that Israel has good intentions. Israel's first intention is to secure the safety of her citizens, just like any other nation. Israel has committed to, and taken reasonable steps to, establish a separate state for those who demand Arab rule.

Re: An AI agent published a hit piece on me – more things have happened

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For what it's worth, both the article you're linking to and the one this story is about are immediately flagged by AI text checkers as LLM-generated. These tools are not perfect, but they're right more often than they're wrong.

> immediately flagged by AI text checkers as LLM-generate Proof? Which one? I would like to test a few other articles with your checker to test its accuracy.

hey! im not op but ive used originality.ai before and it saved my ass. its super sensitive, but also super accurate

Re: An AI agent published a hit piece on me – more things have happened

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When one side says it's raining and the other side says it's sunny, it's not the journalist's job to represent both sides. It's their job to look out the window.

Agreed. And when I look at the issues being discussed, I do not see something so clear as rainy or sunny. I see one side of contentious issues - issues with good arguements for both sides.

Your window might be fogged up.

Re: An AI agent published a hit piece on me – more things have happened

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post #612

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Israel is a perfect example of what's being talked about — a bully that acts like a victim to gain sympathy so it can bully you further. GP is Israeli, so of course he thinks of Israel.

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I thought of Israel because the parent comment was about Israel and I read that comment. I thought that was quite obvious. There's no need to get hostile.

Re: An AI agent published a hit piece on me – more things have happened

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Israel is a perfect example of what's being talked about — a bully that acts like a victim to gain sympathy so it can bully you further. GP is Israeli, so of course he thinks of Israel.

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For the same reason that the Russian province of Donbass has been attacked by Ukraine for its entire existence. Explaining it in great detail would be far too off–topic.

Re: An AI agent published a hit piece on me – more things have happened

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post #361

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It gets pretty bad at times. Here's one of the most mindlessly uncritical pieces I've seen, which seems to be a press release from Volkswagen: https://arstechnica.com/cars/2017/03/volkswagen-unveils-sedr... Look at the image captions gushing about the "roomy interior" of a vehicle that doesn't even exist! I actually wrote in to say how disappointed I was in this ad/press release material, and the response was "That w…

I'm willing to believe it was not an ad. They are just lazy / understaffed. It's hard to make $ in journalism. A longstanding and popular way to cut corners is to let the industry you cover do most of the work for you. You just re-package press releases. You have plausible content for a fraction of the effort / cost.

Agreed. I don't think they're lying about it not being a paid advertisement. Like I said, they didn't deny the press release part.

Re: An AI agent published a hit piece on me – more things have happened

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Ars Technica being caught using LLMs that hallucinated quotes by the author and then publishing them in their coverage about this is quite ironic here. Even on a forum where I saw the original article by this author posted someone used an LLM to summarize the piece without having read it fully themselves. How many levels of outsourcing thinking is occurring to where it becomes a game of telephone.

The amount of effort to click an LLM’s sources is, what, 20 seconds? Was a human in the loop for sourcing that article at all?

If a human had enough time to check all the sources they wouldn't have been using an LLM to write for them.
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