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Re: I miss thinking hard

#621

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Why does it matter how many deserts you cross if you never get to where you want to go? I similarly can take 10 flights across oceans but never end up in the city I'm trying to visit. Sounds like in your metaphor the person is just crossing desserts because they want to with no goal or destination in mind.

Maybe you wanted to visit Mexico and your dream was specifically about Cancún, but then you ended up in Veracruz and were like "oh well, it is Mexico after all, I'd rather be here and visit five other countries similarly than only a single one with my dream city."

I guess this is stretching the analogy a bit far because I'd rather get to the exact place I wanted to go rather than wasting my time non-deterministically wandering around because who knows how long that will take to get anywhere close to my destination.

Re: I miss thinking hard

#622

Just yesterday I noticed I was mentally EXHAUSTED after building out a feature with Claude Code. I actually had to think really, really hard to keep up with the idiot savant as it cranked out code. Correctness was extremely important for this feature. Claude would consistently make subtle mistakes, and I needed to catch them to keep things from going off the rails. I could have done it myself, but it would have taken…

So today are you doing it again? Or did you compress a week's worth of work into a few hours and the rest of the week is shot because you don't expand?

Re: I miss thinking hard

#623

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Plot twist. The comment you love is the cynical one, responding to someone who clearly embraces the new by rising above caution and concern. Your GPT addition has missed the context, but at least you've provided a nice little paradox.

What I especially enjoy is seeing those people accuse AI of being a "parrot" or a "mindless next-token predictor." Inevitably, these accusations are levied in comments whose every thought and token could have been lifted verbatim from any of a thousand such comments over the past few years, accompanied by the rusty squeak of goalpost wheels.

Re: I miss thinking hard

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I don't get it. I think just as hard, I type less. I specify precisely and I review. If anything, all we've changed is working at a higher level. The product is the same. But these people just keep mixing things up like "wow I got a ferrari now, watch it fly off the road!" Yeah so you got a tools upgrade; it's faster, it's more powerful. Keep it on the road or give up driving! We went from auto completing keywords, t…

That's a warm and cozy way to look at things but its not true.

LLM-aided coding is not a higher level tool. It is not writing in C vs writing in assembly. It is closer to asking other people to do something for you and (supposedly, hopefully, although how many people really do it?) reviewing the result.

The thing is, some people already disliked the thinking involved in programming and are welcoming these tools. That's fine, but you don't get to equate it with programming.

Re: I miss thinking hard

#626

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Cameras have not replaced paintings, assuming this is the inference. You wouldn't have known that, going by all the bellyaching and whining from the artists of the day. Guess what, they got over it. You will too.

> Guess what, they got over it. You will too. Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.

It ain't over 'til it's over. And when you come to a fork in the road, take it.

Re: I miss thinking hard

#627
post #223

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Correct… reading code is a much more difficult and ultimately, productive, task. I suspect those using the tools in the best way are thinking harder than ever for this reason.

> reading code is a much more difficult Not inherently, no. Reading it and getting a cursory understanding is easy, truly understanding what it does well, what it does poorly, what the unintended side effects might be, that's the difficult part. In real life I've witnessed quite a few intelligent and experienced people who truly believe that they're thinking "really hard" and putting out work that's just as good as t…

  The first principle is that you must not fool yourself--and you are the easiest person to fool. So you have to be very careful about that.

  - Feynman

Re: I miss thinking hard

#629
The closing quotation from Philipp Mainländer introduces a serious conceptual mismatch with the argument it is meant to reinforce.

Mainländer’s statement—“God has died and his death was the life of the world”—is not a metaphor for cultural decline, cognitive atrophy, or the loss of intellectual depth. It is a literal metaphysical claim. In Mainländer’s philosophy, the Absolute unity of being actively annihilates itself, and the existence of the world is the irreversible consequence of that ontological self-destruction. The death he speaks of is not contingent, regrettable, or historically situated; it is necessary, total, and final. There is no nostalgia in Mainländer, no sense of loss that might have been avoided, and no implied call to recover what was lost. On the contrary, preservation, striving, depth, and effort are all expressions of the same will-to-be that Mainländer ultimately rejects.

By contrast, the argument being made in the essay is explicitly contingent and experiential. It concerns a personal and cultural shift in how intellectual work is done: the replacement of prolonged cognitive struggle with tools that optimize for speed, efficiency, and “good enough” solutions. The author is not claiming that deep thinking had to die for progress to occur, nor that its disappearance is metaphysically necessary. Quite the opposite: the tone is one of regret, ambivalence, and unresolved tension. Something valuable has been eroded, perhaps unnecessarily, and the loss feels meaningful precisely because it might have been otherwise.

This is where the quote fails. Mainländer’s framework leaves no room for lament. If “God” dies in his system, that death is the very condition of possibility for everything that follows. To mourn it would be incoherent. Using this quote to frame a loss that is psychological, cultural, and potentially reversible imports an apocalyptic metaphysics that undermines the author’s own point. It elevates a specific, historically situated concern into a cosmic necessity—and in doing so, distorts both.

What the essay is really circling is not the death of an absolute, but the displacement of a mode of attention: slow, effortful, internally transformative thinking giving way to instrumental cognition. That intuition has a long and well-matched philosophical lineage, but it is not Mainländer’s.

Two examples of quotes that align far more precisely with what the author seems to want to express:

1. “The most thought-provoking thing in our thought-provoking time is that we are still not thinking.” —Martin Heidegger This captures exactly the concern at stake: not the impossibility of thought, but its quiet displacement by modes of engagement that no longer demand it.

2. “Attention is the rarest and purest form of generosity.” —Simone Weil Here, the loss is not metaphysical annihilation but ethical and cognitive erosion—the fading of a demanding inner posture that once shaped understanding itself.

Either of these frames the problem honestly: as a tension between convenience and depth, productivity and transformation, speed and understanding. Mainländer’s quote, powerful as it is, belongs to a radically different conversation—one in which the value of effort, preservation, and even thinking itself has already been metaphysically written off.

The quote sounds right because it is dramatic, but it means something far more extreme than what the author is actually claiming. The result is rhetorical force at the expense of conceptual fidelity.

Re: I miss thinking hard

#630

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Fair enough but I am a programmer because I like programming. If I wanted to be a product manager I could have made that transition with or without LLMs.

Agreed. The higher-ups at my company are, like most places, breathlessly talking about how AI has changed the profession - how we no longer need to code, but merely describe the desired outcome. They say this as though it’s a good thing. They’re destroying the only thing I like about my job - figuring problems out. I have a fundamental impedance mismatch with my company’s desires, because if someone hands me a weird…

They’re destroying the only thing I like about my job - figuring problems out.

So, tackle other problems. You can now do things you couldn't even have contemplated before. You've been handed a near-godlike power, and all you can do is complain about it?

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