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Re: The Codex App

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Are you calling OpenAI a random vendor? That's like calling Coca Cola a random beverage vendor

Yes, OpenAI is a random development tool vendor. In the same way Volkswagen is a random sausage vendor. Do you drink your Coca Cola directly from the Coca Cola packaged bottle? Or do you prefer to sip it in the cup of your choice and drink it from there? The same cup you use to drink Pepsi, Fanta, milk, and other beverages.

Ah, got it, you mean in the "development tools" category.

I'd say that such a category, first is very small, and second there's almost no companies that exclusively offer development tools (JetBrains?). It's a product category where the competition is either individuals/OSS/academic or tech companies that as a side quest release their dev tech.

For the even more specific tool of "LLM development tools" or "agentic coding" OpenAI is the first of its kind, the term VibeCoding emerged from a Karpathy tweet one year ago, and back it was just ChatGPT through the Chat Interface.

It wasn't a coincidence either, they explicitly train their models on code production, mainly out of a need to do useful tool calls, and to do even simple tasks like multiplying a couple of numbers, but it grew into its own product category starting with the supervised Cursor,Windsurf, then the autonomous Devin, then back to supervised with Claude Code/Codex

So yeah, I wouldn't say it's a random vendor in that narrow sense of the specific product. But I get that it's a random vendor if you zoom out and think of a "development tools" category. It's subjective, but I think the nascent field that's clearly changing and hitting Trillion dollar market size is a bit more important than a field that only ever ever had a single company at all in that field (JetBrains?).

Re: The Codex App

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It baffles me how much the discourse over native apps rarely takes this into consideration. You reduce development effort by a third, it is ok to debate whether a company so big should invest into a better product anyway but it is pretty clear why they are doing this

The real question is how much better are native apps compared to Electron apps. Yes that would take much disk space, but it takes 50Mb or 500Mb isn't noticeable for most users. Same goes for memory, there is a gain for sure but unless you open your system monitor you wouldn't know. So even if it's something the company could afford, is it even worth it? Also it's not just about cost but opportunity cost. If a feature…

I think the comparison between native apps and Electron apps is conflating two things:

- Native apps integrate well with the native OS look and feel and native OS features. I'd say it's nice to have, but not a must have, especially considering that the same app can run on multiple platforms.

- Native apps use much less RAM than Electron apps. I believe this one is a real issue for many users. Running Slack, Figma, Linear, Spotify, Discord, Obsidian, and others at the same time consumes a lot of memory for no good reason.

Which makes me wonder: Is there anything that could removed from Electron to make it lighter, similar to what Qt does?

Re: The Codex App

#623

How does Codex mac app compare with Cursor? If anyone who tried both can explain here? My experience with Cursor is generally good and I like that it gives me UX of using VS Code and also allows selection of multiple models to choose if one model is stuck on the prompt and does not work.

You can't write code in the Codex App, it's not an editor. You just manage agents (and ask them to write/implement whatever)

Re: The Codex App

#624

No access via paid API? C’mon guys. Big enterprise consume codex and Claude via vertex and azure foundry, because it’s already available on their contracts. And they don’t mind the usage cost. Please let me spend 5k monthly on this.

Works fine with Azure setup in the config.toml because I think it’s Codex CLI underneath!

Re: The Codex App

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Codex runs in a stupidly tight sandbox and because of that it refuses to run anything. But using the same model through pi, for example, it's super smart because pi just doesn't have ANY safeguards :D

I'll take this as my sign to give Pi a shot then :D Edit: I don't want to speak too son, but this Pi thing is really growing on me so far… Thank you!

Wait until you figure out you can just say "create a skill to do..." and it'll just do it, write it in the right place and tell you to /reload

Or "create an extension to..." and it'll write the whole-ass extension and install it :D

Re: The Codex App

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I have been building Desktop apps with Go + Wails[1]. I happen to know Go, but if you are ai-coding even that is not necessary. A full fledged app, that does everything I want, is ~ 10MB. I know Tauri+Rust can get it to probably 1 MB. But it is a far cry from these Electron based apps shipping 140MB+ . My app at 10MB does a lot more, has tons of screens. Yes, it can be vibe coded and it is especially not an excuse th…

Interesting. Does the Wails renderer support the full set of what Webkit/Chromium supports?

It just uses the system web view, so it depends on the user's platform/version.

Re: The Codex App

#628

Mac only. Again . Apple is great but this is OpenAI devs showing their disconnect from the mainstream. Its complacent at best, contemptuous at worst. SamA or somebody really needs to give the product managers here a kick up the arse.

Hi! Romain here, I work on Codex at OpenAI. We totally hear you. The team actually built the app in Electron specifically so we can support Windows and Linux as well. We shipped macOS first, but Windows is coming very soon. Appreciate you calling this out. Stay tuned!

Really hoped you'd say Linux next.

Re: The Codex App

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I'd love to see some opensource projects actually do a good job of this. Its a lot of work, especially if you want: - Good cross platform support (missing in filepilot) - Want applications to feel native everywhere. For example, all the obscure keyboard shortcuts for moving around a text input box on mac and windows should work. iOS and Android should use their native keyboards. IME needs to work. Etc - Accessibility…

But Electron doesn’t hit that bar even

It gets pretty close.

Which parts in particular do you think electron misses from this list?

Re: The Codex App

#630

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Hi! Romain here, I work on Codex at OpenAI. We totally hear you. The team actually built the app in Electron specifically so we can support Windows and Linux as well. We shipped macOS first, but Windows is coming very soon. Appreciate you calling this out. Stay tuned!

Really hoped you'd say Linux next.

We should be able to make it available for Linux very soon as well!
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