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> All to say, if it had affected my libido, it'd have been a NOOP anyway in my case. Wouldn't a "NOOP" be the opposite of a "Nope"? Sorry for the pedantry, but this forum seems an appropriate place for this.
That's the point, killing an inexistent libido is a no-op
Vitamin D and Omega-3 have a larger effect on depression than antidepressants
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Re: Vitamin D and Omega-3 have a larger effect on depression than antidepressants
#622There are studies that show this is an effective intervention.
Re: Vitamin D and Omega-3 have a larger effect on depression than antidepressants
#623Because it's common to hate on antidepressants, I've always personally had a bias against them. For the past 15-20 years, november thru february are basically a writeoff due for me due to seasonal affective disorder. Cold showers, exercise, no alcohol, strict sleeping rituals. Vitamin d. I can still sleep 11 hours and feel like reheated cat shit. Enter citalopram. "It will take up to six weeks to dial in" they said.…
The hate on antidepressants is not because they're not effective, but rather that they're abused by psychiatrists. Ideally, a professional will prescribe them as a necessary helper to becoming (more) mentally healthy whilst tackling the root cause. Most of the time however, it's more of a "here, take these indefinitely". It's like if we took sleeping pills every time we had trouble sleeping. Having said that, I just…
Re: Vitamin D and Omega-3 have a larger effect on depression than antidepressants
#624The amount of people in this thread rejecting behavioral health as a legitimate science/field and calling for bootstraps to solve depression et al. is wild to see. So many anecdotes and grand statements saying that it’s all nonsense. Very sad to see.
That's not what I was doing in my other comments that you replied to. If you have a knot, and imagine all the possible things you can do with your hands and body and tools in the universe and notice that to a first approximation none of them will untie the knot. Not hitting it with a spoon, not stroking your chin, not jazz hands, way more than 99.999% of possible movements will not untie it. Some of the things which won't work also include pulling yourself up by your bootstraps, "not being weak", "toughing it out". "just get over it". All those are no more effective than any other of the 99.999...% of things which won't work.
The things which will work are in a tiny space of things involving fingernails, needles, knot-eye-hand-feedback-loop and some understanding of rope and tangles. Or fire.
Just because fire will have a useful effect doesn't mean the knot is caused by an imbalance of fire and so you should keep burning your fingers for the rest of your life as "the cure" for knots. The way to untangle a knot is to develop the focused, pointed, targeted skills of untangling knots. And (I argue) the way to untangle negative thoughts is not by powering through them, toughing them out, positive mental attitude, fortitude, being strong, manifestation, dreaming big, just getting over it, or crowbarring your mood up with sledgehammer drugs to an 80-billion neuron network for the rest of your life, or anything else of the millions of other concepts one could do or imagine doing - except the focused, pointed, feedback-loop skills of untangling negative thoughts wielded by a particularly good therapist or by yourself.
Whether you develop such a thing by therapy training, meditation, prayer, Stoicism, biofeedback systems, luck, intuition... I suspect there are multiple ways which are effective that can be developed through multiple approaches, but not many. And "I tried thinking my bad thoughts away and it didn't work so it must be genetic" is not one of them.
Re: Vitamin D and Omega-3 have a larger effect on depression than antidepressants
#625Earlier quoted context omitted.
I did not and I am telling you I do not believe that it is that simple. You do not need to waste time arguing against your incorrect interpretation of my comment. If you need me to say I could have phrased it better, sure, I could have phrased it better. But I am now telling you exactly what I mean and think so we don’t need to do this song and dance. For emphasis: I do not think it is simply/exclusively “chemical im…
But why do you think it is at all "chemical imbalance" when that doesn't seem to be an actual thing? What evidence convinced you? What measurements were taken on a human brain to diagnose the imbalance?
Re: Vitamin D and Omega-3 have a larger effect on depression than antidepressants
#626The amount of people in this thread rejecting behavioral health as a legitimate science/field and calling for bootstraps to solve depression et al. is wild to see. So many anecdotes and grand statements saying that it’s all nonsense. Very sad to see.
> " calling for bootstraps to solve depression et al. is wild to see. So many anecdotes and grand statements saying that it’s all nonsense. " That's not what I was doing in my other comments that you replied to. If you have a knot, and imagine all the possible things you can do with your hands and body and tools in the universe and notice that to a first approximation none of them will untie the knot. Not hitting it…
Re: Vitamin D and Omega-3 have a larger effect on depression than antidepressants
#627Because it's common to hate on antidepressants, I've always personally had a bias against them. For the past 15-20 years, november thru february are basically a writeoff due for me due to seasonal affective disorder. Cold showers, exercise, no alcohol, strict sleeping rituals. Vitamin d. I can still sleep 11 hours and feel like reheated cat shit. Enter citalopram. "It will take up to six weeks to dial in" they said.…
SSRIs are known to induce a
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixed_affective_state
I seriously messed up my life early on by not being able to recognize the difference between being happy and manic.
One of those manic symptoms was often feeling like crying out of joy, and another was feeling way more cognitively capable that I was.
Re: Vitamin D and Omega-3 have a larger effect on depression than antidepressants
#628Earlier quoted context omitted.
The US is heavily over-medicated, for sure. The pharma reps are very intimate with our doctors and it expresses as one might expect. If you go to the doc with nearly any significant complaint, you will very likely come away with some drugs. But it is not all doctors; people want easy fixes that do not require any change in habits. Not an easy problem to solve, systemically.
>people want easy fixes that do not require any change in habits Because it's easy to say change your habits when the problems are systematic as you say. Cutting yourself off social media, or stopping watching the news isn't easy. Being bullied/stressed about work and not having other work options isn't easily dealt with. Being bombarded with advertising telling you that you suck is not something you can personally d…
Re: Vitamin D and Omega-3 have a larger effect on depression than antidepressants
#629Because it's common to hate on antidepressants, I've always personally had a bias against them. For the past 15-20 years, november thru february are basically a writeoff due for me due to seasonal affective disorder. Cold showers, exercise, no alcohol, strict sleeping rituals. Vitamin d. I can still sleep 11 hours and feel like reheated cat shit. Enter citalopram. "It will take up to six weeks to dial in" they said.…
The hate on antidepressants is not because they're not effective, but rather that they're abused by psychiatrists. Ideally, a professional will prescribe them as a necessary helper to becoming (more) mentally healthy whilst tackling the root cause. Most of the time however, it's more of a "here, take these indefinitely". It's like if we took sleeping pills every time we had trouble sleeping. Having said that, I just…
This has been true across two countries (Scotland, Hong Kong) and multiple doctors, with a third country's (China) doctor suggesting I try out sleeping tablets for a few weeks - and only giving me a very limited supply of them - to try out instead.
I wonder if the "here take these" is a predominantly American phenomenon due to the weird incentives around health care costs (I'm being genuine here - maybe it's predominant in other countries too, I honestly don't know!)
Re: Vitamin D and Omega-3 have a larger effect on depression than antidepressants
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Which knowing the side effects of Ambien is pretty bonkers.
I know zero people that have ever taken Ambien. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db462.htm Seems like daily users would be less than 10%.
something weird is going on there, for sure.