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Porsche sold more electrified cars in Europe in 2025 than pure gas-powered cars

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Re: Porsche sold more electrified cars in Europe in 2025 than pure gas-powered cars

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Post by Spooky23 »

jansper39 wrote: post #422
psychoslave wrote: post #303

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I strongly doubt any current car will stand longevity of those cars. The maintenance entry cost of anything with integrated electronic is just several order of magnitude in complexity.

Modern cars are far more reliable than old 'analogue' cars - primarily because of the integrated electronics. ECUs can detect when engines are running rich or lean, knocking or 100 other edge cases and adjust accordingly. Switch to an EV and it's even simpler, you can get away with a motor, battery, BMS and inverter and you can get just about any soapbox to move.

Not really. I’d agree 10 years ago, but post-COVID ICE r&d budgets have been slashed and we’re now in the enshittification phase. My brother in law is a mechanic. He’s doing like 5x more engine a transmission replacements than he did 10 years ago.

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Post by cucumber3732842 »

ekr wrote: post #391
joe_mamba wrote: post #324

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Feels bad faith to shit on people from your ivory tower, just because they can't afford to ditch their reliable beaters and buy a new car. Have you seen wage growth vs car price increases lately? Not everyone is on a remote six figure US tech job. Try to view and judge things from outside your bubble as well. I'd also dump my ol reliable ICE car that's now probably worth less than a fancy electric bicycle, if someone…

Same here. Living in the Netherlands, I drive a 2008 Daihatsu Cuore, bought for 850E over a year ago, I pay 17E /month in mrb (road tax) and 38E/month insurance. It's basically close to the costs of a scooter. And I average under 4L/100km fuel usage, for my 200km/week commute. I did some calculation and no car comes close to these running costs. Definitely no electric cars, even if I were to get them for free, becaus…

>. Living in the Netherlands, I drive a 2008 Daihatsu Cuore, bought for 850E over a year ago, I pay 17E /month in mrb (road tax) and 38E/month insurance.

Imagine how many people are reading this and thinking to themselves "government has to do something to drive up those numbers so it's no longer financially sensible for you to drive that car"

Re: Porsche sold more electrified cars in Europe in 2025 than pure gas-powered cars

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Post by NetMageSCW »

CGMthrowaway wrote: post #266
brailsafe wrote: post #211

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> Don't most people already have a plug in their garage? Good point, most people without garages should continue buying hybrid or ICE, because EVs aren't for them yet.

When will EVs be for them?

When L2 errand charging becomes enough that they can keep up with daily travel by plugging in where they go and park for a while - restaurants, movie theaters, retail stores, doctor and dentist offices, etc.

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Post by cucumber3732842 »

david-gpu wrote: post #343
joe_mamba wrote: post #337

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Good point but that can be explained by familiarity inertia. People who have 50k to blow on a new car are anything but young buyers, with the average age of a new car buyer in the US is around 53 years old. And boomers and gen-X are used to owning ICEs, so there you go. Millennials and Zoomers would be more open to EV adoption but they have a lot less disposable income to buy new cars.

Meanwhile, bicycles and e-bikes cost a fraction of a car.

>e-bikes cost a fraction of a car.

Don't worry, there are people scheming up ways to change that. And it's (mostly) not even the auto lobby.

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Post by NetMageSCW »

triceratops wrote: post #160
CGMthrowaway wrote: post #111

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I never understood the big push for full EVs over hybrid. Roughly speaking, a hybrid gets double the MPG of an ICE car, and a BEV gets double the MPGe of a hybrid. But BEVs require you to add a plug to your garage to get a rapid refuel, when your whole neighborhood gets them it strains the grid, you are range limited, etc... My hunch is there are some laws or regs somewhere that kept hybrids from really taking off (o…

> BEVs require you to add a plug to your garage to get a rapid refuel You hardly ever need a rapid refuel in your garage though. That's where your car spends most of its hours. And most of the world has 220/240v mains supply: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mains_electricity_by_country . Regular wall outlets can charge a car fast enough outside North America.

Even in the US a regular wall outlet is enough - most people don’t commute far enough every day to need more than L1 charging overnight to keep up.

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Post by tapoxi »

bluGill wrote: post #557
amunozo wrote: post #508

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You don't need a charging station for 99 per cent of your rides. You can charge daily at home and forget about recharging except when making a long trip. If you usually make trips that are over the battery life, that's a different thing though. But most people don't have that problem.

That makes it even more realistic. I have the charger in my garage, I happened to need a charger to get home on my last trip (120 mile round trip, the car claimed 220 miles of charge but that didn't account for the cold winter), but I had to open an app and such just to use it. (at least I had the app and an account - but my credit card was expired so I had to type numbers to get it activated). I had to search for th…

Under Biden we had laws requiring chargers to meet reliability requirements, use an open standard, take credit card payments without requiring an app, and build more in rural areas to close the coverage gap. Most of that has been scrapped by the current administration, going as far as removing chargers that were already installed.

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Post by thrance »

thinkingemote wrote: post #368

Electric cars are required by law to emit sound via a speaker for safety. Usually the sound is unique and somewhat electronic in nature. Some electric sports cars, and I'm not sure but Porsche may be one of them, have a loud deep bassy faux-sports engine sound emitting from the speaker. "VROOOOM VROOOOOM VROOOM!" - on an electric car. Does anyone else find this *extremely* weird? It's like a petrol car having a speak…

It is very obnoxious, the sound should just be enough for pedestrians to notice there's a car behind them (happened to me a few times now that there was an electric van one meter behind me that I hadn't heard at all). Tangentially related, but I came across a startup selling EV noises as NFTs once, and it still holds the palm of "most ridiculous business" in my head.

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Post by abdullahkhalids »

screye wrote: post #516
bnchrch wrote: post #2

While the headline is interesting. I think the table at the end of the article is more so. - Worldwide sales -10% YoY - China sales -26% YoY And when you cross compare Porsche saying they sold more EV powertrains than their gas equivalents against China's new found foothold as the market leader in consumer electric cars (BYD, NIO, Xiaomi, etc...) Then I think you see an early indication not just of electric car domin…

It's been a bizarre watch. The automotive industry (and nations that rely on it) has sabotaged itself for a good decade. Unsurprisingly, China has caught up. Classic case of 'we've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas'. Unions sabotaged automation efforts and limited hours worked. Quarterly financial pressures kept research investments to a minimum. Nations refused to scale up nuclear, and cost of electricity kep…

> Unions sabotaged automation efforts and limited hours worked.

It's completely rational for unions, and the workers, to prevent automation. The short term results of automation are only negative for workers, and positive for every other part of the market (customers, suppliers, capitalists). The results might be positive in the long run, but why should only one group suffer.

Perhaps, the capital-owning class could make the deal positive for the workers by giving the workers ownership of a substantial portion of the firm. Then whats good for the firm would become good for workers, and the union would not oppose automation so much.

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Post by NetMageSCW »

bruce511 wrote: post #205
CGMthrowaway wrote: post #111

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I never understood the big push for full EVs over hybrid. Roughly speaking, a hybrid gets double the MPG of an ICE car, and a BEV gets double the MPGe of a hybrid. But BEVs require you to add a plug to your garage to get a rapid refuel, when your whole neighborhood gets them it strains the grid, you are range limited, etc... My hunch is there are some laws or regs somewhere that kept hybrids from really taking off (o…

>> I never understood the big push for full EVs over hybrid Weight, space and reliability. Dragging that generator (and fuel) around costs weight and space, reducing range. Exhaust, fuel tank, radiator- all the support systems the ICE motor needs. Which leaves less space for batteries, which reduces range. Plus, the maintenance burden is still there. All those ICE parts still need all the maintainence etc that full I…

Don’t full battery packs weigh more than an ICE system? Plus, weight is a minimal factor in efficiency anyway.

Today, a PHEV is the best of all world’s, but full parity for BEVs (in the US) is almost here. Reliable trip charging (NACS, SuperCharger network) and available destination charging will be enough pretty soon.

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Post by morshu9001 »

bluedino wrote: post #497
amanaplanacanal wrote: post #436

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Aren't the most popular "cars" in the US actually SUVs and light trucks?

Mostly. The Camry, Civic, and Corolla are up there though. https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g64457986/bestselling-cars...

A lot of them are those mini SUVs like the CR-V. The thing about that list is it's grouped by model, and the share of non-trucks is more fragmented.
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