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The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Post by rmuratov »

pentagrama wrote: post #353

This feels like a surprisingly good moment for Linux desktops to position themselves as real alternatives and actually gain ground. MacOS Tahoe has been heavily criticized for its UI decisions, especially Liquid Glass, which many people feel actively hurts usability rather than improving it. On the other side, Windows keeps piling on user-hostile features, dark patterns, and friction that increasingly frustrate power…

This won't happen until Microsoft Word is available on Linux.

It's like the console wars — different camps say "our console is better, it has more teraflops." In reality, nobody cares about that — buyers will get the console that has the games.

Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Post by mcny »

IrishTechie wrote: post #608
sumo89 wrote: post #603

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I recently built a windows PC again for gaming. Haven't used one for years. Everything's fresh, loads of room on hard drives etc and still sometimes it'll just be weird and needs a reset. But it doesn't surprise me, it's sad we've come to tolerate that from the world's most popular OS.

I have a Windows 11, macOS and Ubuntu Desktop VM that I alternate across throughout the week, I find I need to reset all three periodically to sort out random weirdness. It has more to do with which machine I've used most in the last few weeks not which OS is in-use in my experience.

Familiarity might be the biggest differentiator. I switch between windows on my work computer and fedora gnome on my personal computer (and only interact with Debian server over ssh) so I am more at ease on Windows than I am with something like cachy OS and KDE.

Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Post by consp »

AkelaA wrote: post #76
Lammy wrote: post #43

Compare to Aqua and Platinum where every resizable window/pane had a big square drag target clearly labeled as such with some diagonal lines: https://guidebookgallery.org/pics/gui/system/managers/filema... https://guidebookgallery.org/pics/gui/system/managers/filema...

It also - as seen in that screenshot, had large, always visible scrollbars where it was easy to see how far down you were in a folder or document, and could easily click and drag to scroll to where you needed. Now in the service of minimalism we have scrollbars that consist of a thin, semi-transparent line that fades out after half a second and is nearly impossible to click and drag due to how small it is.

The scrollbar thing is a more widespread mess. I've seen plenty of apps (cross platform) which hide the scrollbar as a tiny grey bar only visible when scrolling. Which on some TN panels is neigh invisible... If I can't see the scrollbar there is no additional stuff to read. I'm now pretty sure this is apple's bad design leaking though to the rest of the world.

Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Post by fauigerzigerk »

mikae1 wrote: post #562
SanjayMehta wrote: post #525

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The support pages are exactly this. They're called Level 0 support in most companies internally.

"Just award them with some stars or points or whatever, and they'll be happy." I wish these people would wake up and spend their time helping peers on a forum for some open source project instead.

There's a bunch of hyperactive people in those Apple "support" forums who don't actually help anyone. They respond to almost every discussion thread aggressively deflecting any criticism directed at Apple.

They pretend to offer "solutions" so their posts don't come across as unconstructive, but their solutions are always essentially the same, often culminating in a factory reset. There is never any attempt to get to the bottom of anything or diagnose what the actual issue is.

They are volunteering their time to make people shut up, bow their head in shame and go away. I don't think this is what you want in an open source project.

Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Post by mschuster91 »

TheDong wrote: post #418
mschuster91 wrote: post #284

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> I find the lifecycle of Apple products to be offensively short, also. Apple is miles ahead of Android when it comes to phones and tablets, most in the Android ecosystem is e-waste four or five years in, while Apple stuff can still be re-sold for actual money at that time assuming you didn't bust your screen. For laptops, Apple is so far ahead it can't even be described. Most Windows laptops physically break apart b…

> Apple is miles ahead of Android when it comes to phones and tablets, most in the Android ecosystem is e-waste four or five years in I have a very old android tablet (Nexus 7, 2013). I can install Linux on it and it works just fine. I can convert it into a full screen kiosk mode thing that displays photo albums, put it next to my tv as a song controller, etc etc. Older iPads no longer get updates, and I can't instal…

> I have a very old android tablet (Nexus 7, 2013).

Yeah, Nexus and being old, that's the thing. Everyone else other than Nexus, you gotta be lucky if you even get kernel sources and device trees that you can compile, but the code quality will usually be so rotten there's no hope of mainstreaming it to the Linux kernel.

> Apple devices turn into useless e-waste bricks

Only the iDevice lineup though. The Intel and M series devices all can be made to run Linux.

Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Post by gcbirzan »

_def wrote: post #548

I recently learned about a shortcut you can enable for moving windows, is something similar around for resizing? On linux I do this via alt + left click and alt + right click `NSWindowShouldDragOnGesture` setting allows you to drag windows at any point if you hold ⌃⌘ `defaults write -g NSWindowShouldDragOnGesture -bool YES`

I'm using Easy Move+Resize, though, I don't recommend using cmd as the only modifier (you're already using ctrl+cmd, so shouldn't be a big deal), since that screws up with cmd clicking on links to open in a new tab.

Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Post by yuryk »

ost-ing wrote: post #212
signal11 wrote: post #9

Tahoe is a macOS mis-step on par with Windows 8 or Windows Vista. If you’re from Apple and reading this, my feedback is pretty succinct: “I don’t recommend others upgrade. I wish I didn’t.” Luckily for Apple, Windows 11 is not exactly in a position to attract switchers. Let’s see if Apple can turn things around. iOS 8+ did improve on iOS 7’s worst bits.

Apple software has noticeably declined from my experience, both iOS and macOS. I find the lifecycle of Apple products to be offensively short, also. If I buy a product and the hardware is good for 10 years (because I looked after it), I expect the software to also run just as well as when I purchased it - that is the case with Linux, why isn't it the case with macOS? Every year the software upgrades invariably degrad…

I personally hold Swift and SwiftUI responsible, as Apple has increasingly adopted them in its own products. Moreover, by introducing frameworks that are exclusive to Swift, the company effectively compels developers to use this rather mediocre language.

Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Post by rwmj »

grishka wrote: post #465
halapro wrote: post #424

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The worst part here is that the style works decently on mobile but they shoehorned it onto a 25-year-old UI and shipped it.

Because they absolutely can't have disparate visual styles in their product lines, practicality be damned ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

At least it's not GNOME, where they shoehorned an unusable mobile-style interface on the whole thing and they don't even have a mobile version.

Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Post by gherkinnn »

signal11 wrote: post #9

Tahoe is a macOS mis-step on par with Windows 8 or Windows Vista. If you’re from Apple and reading this, my feedback is pretty succinct: “I don’t recommend others upgrade. I wish I didn’t.” Luckily for Apple, Windows 11 is not exactly in a position to attract switchers. Let’s see if Apple can turn things around. iOS 8+ did improve on iOS 7’s worst bits.

Tahoe is a bit shit, yes. But I was there for both Vista and Windows 8 and they were both utterly unusable.

Vista ate every bit of RAM it could find, had severe driver issues and riddled with instabilities. It would not run on half the hardware at the time. I faintly remember a DX10 shitshow as well. And 8 hopelessly tried to apply Metro to the desktop and added a third (or was it forth?) settings panel. Also killed the Start menu.

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