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The Vietnam government has banned rooted phones from using any banking app

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Re: The Vietnam government has banned rooted phones from using any banking app

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Post by unparagoned »

gambiting wrote: post #596
macbem wrote: post #481

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And exactly who's going to pay for that?

At least here in the UK for years if you opened a bank account, even a free one, you'd get a debit card + a device for generating secure keys for online and telephone banking. Like a standalone, battery powered device the size of a calculator. Like....why can't we just go back to that? Banks were "fine"(doesn't mean happy) to shoulder the cost of these devices then.

You can still use them. It’s just mobile apps are better in almost every way. Maybe you should uninstall your mobile app and go back to using a device.

Re: The Vietnam government has banned rooted phones from using any banking app

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Post by unparagoned »

Roark66 wrote: post #453
sneak wrote: post #379

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> You can have sandboxing and system integrity while still giving the user overrides. I think this is wishful thinking, and the most experienced organizations in the world in this field agree with me. You can’t square this circle. We can pretend that these two things can coexist, but they cannot. Where there are overrides, there are youtube tutorials on how to disable the overrides to install malicious botnet vpn sur…

So wait, the solution for malicious spy ware installed by corporations like Meta is giving ownership of our devices (and consequently all our data) to corporations like Apple? Got it. And remember the consequences when Apple starts scanning all your photos and sends a SWAT team to arrest a father who took a picture of his son's rash and sent it to a doctor, because surely he was engaging in child abuse. I rather have…

Yes the solution is to have locked down phones

And that swat example wasn’t Apple.

Re: The Vietnam government has banned rooted phones from using any banking app

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Post by unparagoned »

Brian_K_White wrote: post #395
sneak wrote: post #333

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It’s not an evil at all. For 99% of people who aren’t “computer people”, when we gave them that, we got the Bonzai Buddy and 47 other malware toolbars installed. Did we forget 2003 already? App sandboxing and system file integrity is one of the most beneficial security features of modern computing, and the vast majority of people have no desire to turn it off. You can buy rootable phones. People overwhelmingly choose…

It is an evil because there are infinite ways to solve any problem, not just this one. Describing some problem in no way validates any particular response as being even worth the trade-off let alone flat out necessary and unavoidable. Further, the people promulgating this sort of solution know this. The evil is that they are wittingly using a problem as the excuse and the cover to get something else they want which t…

There must might be infinite ways but only one simple, reliable and practical way

Re: The Vietnam government has banned rooted phones from using any banking app

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Post by SXX »

skirge wrote: post #608
SXX wrote: post #75

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Vietnam is as far from socialism as China. It's more like wild capitalism.

when exactly Communist Party of Vietnam abandoned Marxism - Leninism? Any official statement claims that?

Does it really matter what official statements say if a country have stock exchange, group of billionares and market economy?

Iived there for quite some time to understand its likely less regulated and government controlled than many ex-USSR countries (im from russia).

Of course politically Vietnam is what it state it is compared to e.g Indonesia that I now explore. But economically it's the same capitalism as everywhere else.

Re: The Vietnam government has banned rooted phones from using any banking app

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Post by unparagoned »

taosx wrote: post #5

I really don't understand this. My line of thinking is that if someone is technical enough to root his phone he understands the risks. Why would they force banking apps to detect and not work on rooted phones? Why would the government care so much?

Like most people in this thread people who root their phones are clueless about how much of a security risk it is. So they are protecting people from making dangerous choices.

Re: The Vietnam government has banned rooted phones from using any banking app

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Post by AlexeyBelov »

jffhn wrote: post #588
xorcist wrote: post #414

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> The biggest "evil" No need for the scare quotes. Forcefully removing people's agency over themselves is pretty much the definition of evil. We do not hurt criminals as punishment anymore, in the civilized age, but we still lock them up. Now, of course we should not equate physical prisons and digital prisons in any other way, but we should absolutely call both forms of imprisonment evil, plain and simple.

>We do not hurt criminals as punishment anymore, in the civilized age Singapore is quite civilized, and they conduct caning strokes.

No, not civilized, precisely because of this (and other things).

Re: The Vietnam government has banned rooted phones from using any banking app

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Post by AlexeyBelov »

skylurk wrote: post #510
thewebguyd wrote: post #448

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> If there is a series of buttons you can press to circumvent the anti-scam measures, then the scammers simply walk you through pressing those buttons. If you cover them in giant warning labels the scammers simply add explanations into their patter. The buttons must physically not exist, for gullible people to not get scammed out of money. We shouldn't be protecting someone that gullible at the expense of everyone el…

> We shouldn't be protecting someone that gullible My uncle, an engineer, was scammed out of his life savings last year. He was a smart guy, he just got older.

Well, not very smart.

Re: The Vietnam government has banned rooted phones from using any banking app

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Post by AlexeyBelov »

LoganDark wrote: post #554
drnick1 wrote: post #362

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> normal people can't be trusted with system-level access but some people can. Why can "normal people" be trusted with a car then? Or firearms? Or kitchen knives?

False premise...

Elaborate?

Re: The Vietnam government has banned rooted phones from using any banking app

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Post by Helmut10001 »

barbazoo wrote: post #609
Helmut10001 wrote: post #574

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I use the eSim feature in my iPhone, this worked well.

Do you mean you have the same esim on both phones but normally activated on the burner phone except when you need it on the unmodified one w/o access to burner phone?

I can have multiple free esims with my operator. Since I have my auth-phone in airplane most of the time, I don't care about two ringing phones (or the small privacy caveat that comes with sharing the same phone number across multiple devices).

Re: The Vietnam government has banned rooted phones from using any banking app

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Post by OutOfHere »

netsharc wrote: post #484
OutOfHere wrote: post #111

Why can't rooted phones pretend to be non-rooted phones for the purpose of certain apps? What's the point of rooting if you can't even selectively pretend?

If this pretending works 100%, then a malware can use that technique to pretend that the phone is secure, to trick you into using your bank app and steal your money anyway. I also prefer to own my device and be root on it, while installing all the "pretend I'm non-rooted" functionality on it, I did think "this is basically installing a rootkit to tell the OS 'yes, I'm clean!'.". Then my bank (fuck them very much) dec…

> a malware can use that technique to pretend that the phone is secure

Nonsense. The pretense feature would have to be a root feature that is enabled exclusively for approved apps and the TPM.

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