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Re: Trump says Venezuela’s Maduro captured after strikes

#621
When Russia invaded Ukraine it was imperialism, regardless of their "reasons".

When Trumpistan invades Venezuela it is also imperialism, regardless of its "reasons".

It seems that every 20 years the Americans forget the lessons from the wars 20 years ago.

I only hope a lot of Americans die, if that is the price to pay to avoid them to invading other countries and stop their imperialism.

Re: Trump says Venezuela’s Maduro captured after strikes

#622
post #600

A lot of Venezuelans are happy about it. Maduro is not good for Venezuela. The US should not be the decider of who stays in power on another country. The president should not have the power to apprehend a countries president IN THEIR COUNTRY without a process thats more than just "I really want it". The US is giving another clear message that it does not care about global order, just global control. We're back in the…

Conceptually, tariffs could help manufacturing. The policy Trump actually enacts, massive and unpredictable tariffs on manufacturing inputs, turns out to destroy manufacturing. Conceptually, removing Maduro might help the people of Venezuela…

Re: Trump says Venezuela’s Maduro captured after strikes

#624

To steel-man and provide a more charitable interpretation of last night: 1. Maduro stole an election. He is not legitimately in power. Many other people in power, like the military and other political factions, opposed this and wants him removed. 2. These people quietly oust Maduro in the middle of the night. 3. With the tacit approval of these folks, the US arrests Maduro for previously indicted crimes. 4. The US bo…

Or you can just quote the man himself.

Fox News: What do you see as the future of Venezuela’s oil industry?

Trump: Well, I see that we’re going to be very strongly involved in it. That’s all I can say. We have the greatest oil companies in the world—the biggest, the greatest—and we’re going to be very much involved in it.

Re: Trump says Venezuela’s Maduro captured after strikes

#625

"It (Venezuela) currently exports (oil) about 900,000 barrels per day and China is by far its biggest buyer." Ah ok, so this was about China. MAGA's fixation on China is certainly going to lead to more instability.

Democrats and republicans are concerned about China because it has a massive impact on many issues that both parties care about. This includes Taiwan, Hong Kong, Us manufacturing, US ip, immigration, etc.

Re: Trump says Venezuela’s Maduro captured after strikes

#626

To steel-man and provide a more charitable interpretation of last night: 1. Maduro stole an election. He is not legitimately in power. Many other people in power, like the military and other political factions, opposed this and wants him removed. 2. These people quietly oust Maduro in the middle of the night. 3. With the tacit approval of these folks, the US arrests Maduro for previously indicted crimes. 4. The US bo…

No, you're not steel manning. You're just justifying unilateral regime change.

None of that matters.

There was no declaration of war powers from Congress, this entire operation is a flagrant violation of US and international law.

And, to point 1, this operation was carried out by a US President who attempted to violently overthrow the US government to avoid ceding power, which really puts a damper on point 1 I think.

Re: Trump says Venezuela’s Maduro captured after strikes

#627

It's funny how many people already see this as a book that is opened and closed on the same day. That's not how these things work. This is like the first stone of an avalanche. It could stop here, or it could roll on for quite a while. It will take months or even years to know whether or not the outcome here was desirable or not and what the final tally is. Remember the 'Arab spring' and what came after.

Unfortunately, the action is perpetrated by the least capable amaerican government so theres slim chance ultimate good comes out.

Re: Trump says Venezuela’s Maduro captured after strikes

#628

To steel-man and provide a more charitable interpretation of last night: 1. Maduro stole an election. He is not legitimately in power. Many other people in power, like the military and other political factions, opposed this and wants him removed. 2. These people quietly oust Maduro in the middle of the night. 3. With the tacit approval of these folks, the US arrests Maduro for previously indicted crimes. 4. The US bo…

> a more charitable interpretation

Never in the past 60 years has it been more clear from observing the current US administration in its international "relations" and its domestic abuses that there is no charitable interpretation.

Re: Trump says Venezuela’s Maduro captured after strikes

#629
On the legality front

Congress practically matters when significant mobilization, boots on the ground, money, with high likelihood of many lives lost. Iraq. Not random one-off adventures.

Otherwise modern Presidents have done this thing for decades.

I think it’s more an effective argument to question this as a policy. As in “is there a plan for what comes next”. Congress should be holding hearings and performing oversight to understand whether theres actually a plan and to allow debate.

Re: Trump says Venezuela’s Maduro captured after strikes

#630
This is a crime. It is an unlawful act of aggression which may defacto trigger an international armed conflict. There will be paper thin justifications of course but those are merely to give loyalists talking points and a thread to grasp to in their mental gymnastics.

In normal parlance, this is an act of war.

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