I feel like at least part of the issue is that the internet is a different kind of public than everywhere else. it's not transient, and it's not limited to the people who happened to be in the same part of public as you at the same time. instead it's a fully-automatable, permanent record that is 100% available to all present and future humans. that deserves consideration to my mind.
What if I don't want videos of my hobby time available to the world?
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#622Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Most gyms it shouldn't be that hard to take useful pictures without people in them though? Or much simpler: when the photos of a class are taken, simply ask beforehand who disagrees with being photographed and/or photos containing him/her made public, so that for those few minutes where the photos are taken, these people can get out of the picture.
Better yet, offer a free class to people who don't mind being photographed (of whom there are many). 'Being part of a company's marketing' isn't something that should be included in the price of a product or service.
I feel like if you announced your "picture day", you'd also get a subset of the gym members who wanted to show up that day looking their best. (And a subset of jokers who want to see if they can sneak their way into the marketing material so that there's a picture of someone exercising in a tuxedo or whatever if you look closely enough.)
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#623Earlier quoted context omitted.
If someone asks you not to record them at their own event , and you do, you're an asshole.
Yes, that's an asshole move. I think it's also pretty weird to ask people not to take photos though. edit: "no photos during the ceremony" is different than "no photos the entire event", obviously
I think the request was to not post them to social media.
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#624Earlier quoted context omitted.
You claim that it is not the case, so I would like you to point out which of these aspects is different in one of these countries. Do you claim it's not allowed to photograph others in public without their explicit consent in Czech Republic, for example?
No, read back on the thread. The person imagined a kind of law that limited public photography except for cases of preventing crime etc. I said it works like that in Switzerland. You said also in the rest of the EU, and I'm pointing out it does not work that way in the rest of the EU, because countries like Czechia are far more lax about public photography than Switzerland or even The Netherlands.
> People should clearly have the right to photograph in public
> should someone take someone else’s photograph they should need their consent to post the photo publicly
> I don’t think posting a photo on a private social media profile / group chat would count as public
That all sounds pretty similar to what I know from EU countries. Of course, there are also exceptions like photographing groups of people etc., but I don't think that goes the spirit of the balderdash's concept.
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#625Earlier quoted context omitted.
Most states in the United States allow one one-party consent for audio recordings.
I get that for whistleblowers, journalists, investigators, ... I don't think it's relevant for a birthday party with children. If it's me, I'm leaving the party. If it's my children attending, I'm strongly recommending them to leave the party (or just leave with them, depending on their age). Live-streaming a birthday party of children is obnoxious behavior that should not be tolerated.
This is the case where I find law in Europe better than USA. In germany you need consent to film or record other people.
The downside is the misuse of the law, what happens constantly, to basically prohibit (at least in practice) ANY recording activity. Is not unheard of, I have seen and experienced myself quite a few times, for example, a tourist being stopped and asked to delete a video of a simple recording in a park (police called immediately), because a random stupid person was around and wants to show how good he knows his rights… (see sister comment)
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#626Earlier quoted context omitted.
Better yet, offer a free class to people who don't mind being photographed (of whom there are many). 'Being part of a company's marketing' isn't something that should be included in the price of a product or service.
Better still, pay people for the use of their image in advertising Always
Right? Somehow we've let corporations (which arent even a real life thing! They are just groups of people!) be entitled to huge swaths of our lives. You want to use my image for your marketing because you don't want to pay models? Gtfo of here! What an insane thing to do to customers.
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#627Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Those include not trying to impress strange rules on guests you invite to an event. I think you will find it is both good etiquette and very common to make polite requests ("rules") of guests you invite..... whether these be to 'bring a bottle', 'smoke outside', 'wear black tie', 'wear your birthday suit' or 'don't film us'. If you can't accommodate such requests, don't go.
One of those is different from the others. And yes, it's very common for people to not go to an event if the hosts are making up strange demands.
I think you might find that most parties where the request is "show up in your birthday suit" also request that you not film there.
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#628Earlier quoted context omitted.
you risk becoming a side character in someone elses' parasocial relationship Your perception of this as a risk probably suggests cultural and/or generational differences. But for the actual circumstances of the fine article’s author, video is a norm of the community the author seeks to join. Within the community, video is an established practice and making a video rig signifies a higher degree of commitment to the co…
> To put it another way, joining the bird watching community means keeping lists. Yes, of course you can just watch birds for your personal pleasure, but documentation is a core community activity. How do you define community? Seems like a bit rigid of a implied requirement. The whole idea of conflating community and publicity or some documentation requirement seems a bit silly to me, and it's definitely not rare, bu…
The birdwatching community is similar to a collecting community insofar as seeing a bird is like having it in your collection and going out to birdwatch is like hunting items to add to your collection.
Lists and records fill the role a physical collection plays in collecting hobbies.
The whole idea of conflating community and publicity or some documentation requirement seems a bit silly to me
Usually that simply means a community is not for you and the birdwatching hobby is not for me either…though I have driven a few hundred miles out of my way to see the California Condors at Vermillion Cliffs (I didn’t write it down).
On the other hand, not-for-me just means not for me to me. I can see why people do it and it is pleasant to ask them what they are looking at and congratulate them if they tell me it’s a lifer…
Anyway, birds fascinate me and I am blessed to live along the Pacific Flyway in a location with abundant wildlife and natural areas outside my door (it’s why I sometimes chat with birders). But it only took me one look at what the birdwatching community values to know it was not for me (same as most religions, political movements, ideologies, etc.).
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#629Earlier quoted context omitted.
My kids are in elementary and middle school and there was an occasion where they were at a birthday party where an older sibling was live streaming the event. Both my kids (and me) found it very off-putting, so there's some anecdata that at least some young kids still feel it's an invasion of privacy. Maybe not all is lost.
My own anecdotal experience is that the generational gap is actually the inverse of what was described above. Younger people seem to be very much moree acutely aware of the dangers of publicity and much more guarded about what they do in public if it could potentially end up online.
The entire reason tiktok got so popular is the younger generation (born in the mid 90s to early 2000s) normalizing sharing so much of their lives publicly.
It's given rise to a much richer form of social media and "personal brand" building when done well, IMO. Although I have noticed the tide starting to turn, with the amount of us-vs-them sentiment all over the internet lately.
Honestly, if I was a kid just discovering social media today, I'd be extremely guarded too.
Re: What if I don't want videos of my hobby time available to the world?
#630I get it, but the alternative is what? Get model release forms from anyone in a public space every time you turn your video camera on? Who's to say how much of you I have in the shot? Do you feature? Did you flash by? Are you blurred? Recognisable? I was shooting video of a car park exit last year. (I was trying to prove to the shopping centre owners that it was dangerous.) Mundane footage. Some lady drives out in he…
I get it, but the alternative is what?
Don't publish the videos unless you have a good reason to. There is no upside to just throwing everything you record on the internet. People don't watch the videos, your channel is degraded by having tons of garbage on it, and people in the videos don't want to be online like that.
If you stop pretending that a random video is somehow going to 'go viral' or make you famous, the entire problem just evaporates.
If you want to publish videos put the effort into making good ones that people will actually watch, which means raising the bar by (in part) finding people who want to be in them. Videos of random people doing pretty mundane things like their hobbies won't turn you into the next YouTube star.