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Re: Britain to introduce compulsory digital ID for workers

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Post by Aeolun »

dannyobrien wrote: post #588
ghusto wrote: post #340

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Was reading through your post, finding it difficult to find fault with anything you were saying, but something wasn't sitting right. And then ... > I'm certain it's worked well in other countries It has! In the Netherlands for example, it's just an incredibly convenient system, and if there's anything dodgy going on I'm not aware of it. So what makes the UK so different to the Netherlands? Genuine question, because I…

So the Netherlands may not be the best example to use as a positive example here. Notoriously, the national identity system was used during World War II as a system for discovering and eliminating the Jewish community[1]. The lessons learned from that are a frequent topic of discussion in civil liberties groups, and the Dutch experience is often cited, both global conversations and within the Netherlands -- e.g. On L…

I don’t think the current ID structure has any field for religious or racial history. It’s simply a unique number assigned to a person at birth.

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Post by aembleton »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #118
Nursie wrote: post #27

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In the UK it has never been compulsory to carry ID, even when driving. At a traffic stop the police have the option to require you to present documents at a police station within seven days if they think something is fishy. And people do seem to exist quite happily without formal identification. As someone who has always had a passport and driving license it was a bit of an eye-opener to me, but if you don't drive an…

One needs a "National Insurance" number (NINO) to work legally. I thought it was also required to collect any type of government benefit too.

That NI number lives in my head. I don't have to carry a physical card or install an app.

Re: Britain to introduce compulsory digital ID for workers

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Post by angryscot25 »

somelamer567 wrote: post #329
pipes wrote: post #281

I genuinely think the next move will be using it as part of their age verification check. I am guessing they want it to be your online id. No more anonymous internet usage. It is really grim what is happening to the UK. For the most part no one gives a shit. And if you do, you are automatically branded as "right wing".

> No more anonymous internet usage And given the torrent of inauthentic "right wing" commentators nudging public opinion on the BBC's Have Your Say, the Daily Mail and Reddit, I'm not entirely sure this will be a bad thing. Recall that Iran cut off the internet for university exams, and the volume of posting by Scottish pro-independence accounts on Twitter/X dropped 98%. Food for thought.

Are you thinking of the US bombing Iran perhaps? Assuming they are running such a disinformation campaign (which is the theory you are talking about) why would they shoot themselves in the foot and cut their own spooks' connection off? And you're off by almost two order of magnitudes, the study in question found that 4% of pro-indy activity was linked to Iranian controlled attacks (and I am highly doubtful of Twitter's influence in that debate in 2025...)

Re: Britain to introduce compulsory digital ID for workers

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Post by hnlmorg »

shoobiedoo wrote: post #527
hnlmorg wrote: post #507

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> Isn't a larger issue the number of immigrants who are NOT contributing to the economy, The bigger issue is people not contributing to the economy. Let’s not peg laziness as an immigration problem because British people are equally lazy. > The other complaint I often see is immigrants' failure to assimilate to British norms, language, and culture. If we forced people to conform to British norms then we wouldn’t enjo…

Holy mother of [citation needed]. "Brits are just as lazy! Brits never conform when abroad! But it's YOU not showing facts!"

Immigrants take on lower paid jobs that Brits never apply for. There’s been countless examples of this reported.

Re: Britain to introduce compulsory digital ID for workers

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Post by aembleton »

noelwelsh wrote: post #264

I don't think Kier Starmer understands that when people voted for Labour, they were, in fact, voting for Labour, not Reform / the Tories. This proposal at least has some merit (though it is not without issues) but trying to sell it as preventing illegal work is ludicrous, attempting to appeal to the right-wing votes who will never vote Labour, and giving control of the conversation to the Weasel in Chief, Nigel Farag…

I've always associated Labour with ID cards, so this feels right for Labour. Last time they pretended it was needed to prevent terrorism as that was the issue de jour but this time it's immigration.

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Post by flir »

surgical_fire wrote: post #247
pjc50 wrote: post #242

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There's three separate questions: - is it a good idea to tie various public records together under a unique ID - is it a good idea to issue voluntary ID for those situations where people need to prove it and the big, third one: - where is this going to be made mandatory and under what circumstances will it be used against people?

> - is it a good idea to tie various public records together under a unique ID Generally, yes. It simplifies dealing with government bureaucracy. Proving your identity is generally something you will have to do anyway, this is will just remove a bunch of hoops you have to go through. > - is it a good idea to issue voluntary ID for those situations where people need to prove it One of the countries I lived in had a sy…

> Generally, yes. It simplifies dealing with government bureaucracy. Proving your identity is generally something you will have to do anyway, this is will just remove a bunch of hoops you have to go through.

This community, more than most, should understand in its bones that security and convenience are the ends of a see-saw. Convenience is five-character passwords, security is 2FA. Convenience is contactless payments, security is cash. Etc etc.

When you argue from convenience, I find it almost axiomatic that my security is going to take a beating.

Re: Britain to introduce compulsory digital ID for workers

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Post by hnlmorg »

randerson wrote: post #585
hnlmorg wrote: post #507

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> Isn't a larger issue the number of immigrants who are NOT contributing to the economy, The bigger issue is people not contributing to the economy. Let’s not peg laziness as an immigration problem because British people are equally lazy. > The other complaint I often see is immigrants' failure to assimilate to British norms, language, and culture. If we forced people to conform to British norms then we wouldn’t enjo…

Major difference between visiting a place and emigrating there. How many cultures actually learn another language just to go on their annual vacation? You seem to be arguing simultaneously that the Brits are worse than average when it comes to adapting to local norms as tourists, while also suggesting that the people moving to Britain permanently shouldn't have to? There's nothing wrong with a culture adapting over t…

> You seem to be arguing simultaneously that the Brits are worse than average when it comes to adapting to local norms as tourists, while also suggesting that the people moving to Britain permanently shouldn't have to?

No. I’m arguing that people who say “people change their personalities to suit mine” are hypocrites.

> But a small country can't preserve their identity when they are overloaded by so many immigrants coming in at once who FORCE their ways on their new home. Think of it as Push vs Pull, there's a difference.

Citation required — for literally every part of that sentence.

> Every country having a unique culture makes the world more interesting.

Exactly my point as well.

> Leftists would in that case be empathetic toward the remaining indigenous minority who feel their historic way of life was killed off against their will. Why should it be any different if you swap the country and nationalities in this example to what is happening in the UK?

If you think a fraction of a percentage of people coming to the UK is suddenly going to change the identity of the entire country then you need to get out and explore more of the UK yourself.

> I am an immigrant myself, and a fairly liberal one at that. But I made the effort to come to my new home legally and assimilate to the best of my ability. I'm not sure why I should hold others to a lower standard.

The problem isn’t the suggestion. The problem is the entitlement.

I do think it’s courteous for people to make an effort to integrate. But it should also be their decision, not ours.

And that’s the crux of the problem.

Most of the time, the complains about immigration are unfounded scapegoating of people who are different. It’s got fuck all to do with facts. It’s just people who the government have failed, or people who feel entitled, being fearful of other people who are different. It’s literally just an unchecked primal instinct. And we need to grow past that as a species.

Re: Britain to introduce compulsory digital ID for workers

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Post by conorflan »

dannyobrien wrote: post #588
ghusto wrote: post #340

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Was reading through your post, finding it difficult to find fault with anything you were saying, but something wasn't sitting right. And then ... > I'm certain it's worked well in other countries It has! In the Netherlands for example, it's just an incredibly convenient system, and if there's anything dodgy going on I'm not aware of it. So what makes the UK so different to the Netherlands? Genuine question, because I…

So the Netherlands may not be the best example to use as a positive example here. Notoriously, the national identity system was used during World War II as a system for discovering and eliminating the Jewish community[1]. The lessons learned from that are a frequent topic of discussion in civil liberties groups, and the Dutch experience is often cited, both global conversations and within the Netherlands -- e.g. On L…

My response as to the difference is the 1998 Good Friday agreement. Something that has already been branded as the Brit Card is simply something that wouldn't work in Northern Ireland, and that the name passed any scrutiny say an awful lot.

Ireland is not Britain, and people from Northern Ireland can chose to identify as British, Irish or Both by birthright.

A "Brit Card" is not something a significant portion of people would want.

I personally am more disgusted by the nationalistic naming, but I also don't like the idea of needing a smartphone or my walle when walking.

If these aren't true details then the messaging has been poor, per form, and needs to be addressed, quickly.

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