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Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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Post by sumedh »

BobbyJo wrote: post #490
afpx wrote: post #388

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Immigration is great when it's done at the right pace. The pace of the last 10 years has been jarring. It's counterproductive at this point just because of the extra cognitive load alone. Can we take a 20 year break then start it back up slowly? And, economically, I think it'll be fine. Won't it be great for the rest of the world to share in the economic success of the US? I'm looking forward to a day when most natio…

Honestly, I agree quite a bit. The US and other countries have the same dynamic that FAANG does with startups, we put up the money to have anything worthwhile come in-house, which kills competition. Please India/China/Europe, build tech empires to rival ours. We will all benefit.

> Please India/China/Europe, build tech empires to rival ours. We will all benefit.

China is already doing it though.

Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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Post by sumedh »

yash1th wrote: post #216
mrmansano wrote: post #140

Anecdotally, although I'm sure it's happening to more people. I'm Brazilian, I work in the US on H1-B. I'm on vacations in Brazil with my wife and kids, one in school age. I also came to renew my visa stamp, as I had my extension approved not long ago. My visa is valid from September 21st, so, same day as this proclamation takes effect. And I can't go back before that because my visa is not valid. My flight was sched…

i did not know until today there is this much anti-immigrant and especially anti-indian sentiment in tech. idk, it was very eye opening and very sad to read those. i am telling myself that people who were posting those things are small in numbers.

> i am telling myself that people who were posting those things are small in numbers.

Lot of people share the sentiments but afraid to post because they are labelled as racist.

Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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Post by maest »

arrowsmith wrote: post #418
rich_sasha wrote: post #169

UK around Brexit time thought kind of similar: let's keep the "riffraff" immigrants out by applying higher criteria. The narrative also changed this way: we don't want immigrants in general, but you , with your highly paid PhD-requiring job, you can go in, on a 2 year rolling basis. Then everyone's a winner, except for unwanted, unskilled labour. But a lot of skilled labour left anyway. Partly because the general atm…

There are not "high criteria" to immigrate to the UK post-Brexit. The minimum salary threshold is £26k, barely higher than minimum wage. The list of eligible occupations is a joke and includes such desperately understaffed occupations as "homeopaths" and "reiki healers". The skilled worker visa only requires B1 English, at which level you'll struggle to communicate in many professional settings. Net immigration (lega…

> The minimum salary threshold is £26k

You are wrong. For the Skilled Worker route, the minimum salary threshold is 41k per year, with some special jobs at 33.4k.

> "homeopaths" and "reiki healers"

You are wrong. There are SOC codes for things like "Therapy professionals". They give examples like acupuncturists, art/drama/music therapists, chiropractors/osteopaths, nutritionists, sports therapists/massage therapists. No "reiki healers", though.

> The skilled worker visa only requires B1 English

You are technically right, but are ignoring the larger context. Jobs open for Skilled Worker migrants have to be RQF 6+, which usually means the worker has to perform at the level of a university graduate. So, while the language requirement is B1, the skill requirement is non-trivial.

> You have no idea what you're talking about.

Ironic.

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Post by lotsoweiners »

ponector wrote: post #240
penguin_booze wrote: post #208

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But remember: he was elected; by the people; for a second time . Let that all sink in.

Majority will choose dumb old convict instead of being ruled by woman.

Democrats have learned that 2 of last 3 elections. Based on what I’ve read here and Reddit I am not convinced the lesson has stuck.

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Post by maest »

yodsanklai wrote: post #188
stronglikedan wrote: post #45

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Anyone claiming their country is "the best the world's got" is probably victim of some nationalistic propaganda.

A KGB spy and a CIA agent meet up in a bar for a friendly drink.

"I have to admit, I'm always so impressed by Soviet propaganda. You really know how to get people worked up," the CIA agent says.

"Thank you," the KGB says. "We do our best but truly, it's nothing compared to American propaganda. Your people believe everything your state media tells them."

The CIA agent drops his drink in shock and disgust. "Thank you friend, but you must be confused... There's no propaganda in America."

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Post by yibg »

arrowsmith wrote: post #527
yibg wrote: post #519

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Can't pick and choose. Would you be ok with people escaping persecution or spreading their religion coming in the country if they don't bring their parents?

What point do you think you’re responding to exactly? GP mentioned “abandoning your parents” when you immigrate as if that’s absurd. In reality it’s the most normal thing imaginable. I know hundreds of people who live outside their home country and I can’t thing of a single one of them who took their parents with them. When does that ever happen?

> Hey, quick question: who founded America?

That's what I'm responding to. That the first immigrants to America came under very different circumstances. Circumstances that wouldn't get them into America today.

Abandoning your parents isn't absurd when you don't have other good options. It's also not the most normal thing imaginable. Would you abandon your parents and go to another country if they can't join you at all?

We want the "best and brightest" but we also want them to have to abandon their parents to do it? Many of the best and brightest have other options.

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Post by yibg »

mlrtime wrote: post #610
arrowsmith wrote: post #527

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What point do you think you’re responding to exactly? GP mentioned “abandoning your parents” when you immigrate as if that’s absurd. In reality it’s the most normal thing imaginable. I know hundreds of people who live outside their home country and I can’t thing of a single one of them who took their parents with them. When does that ever happen?

100% Right! My wife "abandoned" her entire family to come to America at 18, didn't speak a word of english, had a suitcase and barely enough money to survive a week. She doesn't regret it and her family doesn't think they were abandoned. This "abandoned" idea is great example of a poor idea that goes into policy that doesn't match reality.

Was she a high skilled immigrant going to America to do a job with a talent shortage? Because that's the class of immigrants we're talking about here.

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Post by maest »

skippyboxedhero wrote: post #401
alkonaut wrote: post #340

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Do Americans even want functioning bureaucracy? I'm starting to doubt they realize just how complex a modern democracy is, and how many moving parts need to work _just right_ for there to be jobs, money, media, law and order, free speech etc. A presidential candidate should be able to campaign on "normal foreign relations", "independent authorities", "functioning government", "decorum in politics", "balanced budget",…

A functioning bureaucracy is the death knell of ordered society.

Found Thiel's alt acount.

Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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Post by lotsoweiners »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #217
thisisit wrote: post #182

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I see this point being made a lot. Lets be clear - the election was won on inflation. While a lot was said about 47th's previous record it was often brushed aside with - Sure, this was said last time too and he didn't do any of this. Its the same thing all over again, people crying wolf etc. There was even consternation about Project 2025 and many well minded people didn't believe it would be enacted. Now the approva…

I don’t give voters that much benefit of the doubt. They saw a man (and party) make baseless accusations to overturn an election, openly support a terrorist attack on the government, and campaign on freeing those terrorists and punishing those who went after the terrorists. And they decided this man was better than a woman, especially a black woman. Because he was a man. I’ve been told this even by a few older women,…

All of that could potentially been avoided had Joe Biden decided to pick a popular and well qualified running mate rather than a diversity hire that checked certain boxes. Go read opinions on Reddit and they seem to think Biden was right and blame the American bigots.

Like them or not, Republicans have done an excellent job of nominating and running an electable candidate even if he was not embraced by the establishment. Democrats had a chance at this in 2016 and went with Hillary and the rest is of course history.

Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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Post by ycombinator_acc »

yibg wrote: post #561
arn7av wrote: post #518

Update from USCIS: https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/document/memos/H1B... "Clarification" from Press Secretary: https://x.com/PressSec/status/1969495900478488745 1.) This is NOT an annual fee. It’s a one-time fee that applies only to the petition. 2.) Those who already hold H-1B visas and are currently outside of the country right now will NOT be charged $100,000 to re-enter. H-1B visa holders can leave and…

Info from customs agents at airport is aligned with this statement. Specifically that it does NOT apply to current visa holders. How consistent that is, no idea.

> it does NOT apply to current visa holders

How about transfers?

Transfers technically count as new visas and need to be petitioned. Will every new employer have to shell out 100K? If that's the case, H-1B holders are now actually indentured servants (they were not previously, no matter how many Redditors claim otherwise) because they are now stuck with the current employer with essentially no ability to transfer or find a new employer in case of a layoff.

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