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Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by Shorel »

mv4 wrote: post #447
meindnoch wrote: post #404

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Microsoft being the cool guys? The cool guys ? Mwuhahahhaa. This gave me the good belly laugh I needed. For the last 25 years, Microsoft was known for: - being the no. 1 enemy of free software - shipping the worst web browser in existence, despite 80%+ market share - making corrupt deals with governments around the world to tie them to their office software suite - creating vendor-locked proprietary extensions to kil…

While I mostly agree with your assessment, I feel like the Xbox is pretty cool.

As a Windows gamer, it was the worst.

Not the Xbox itself, if it was just the standalone device, but the way they had chosen to modify Windows to have Xbox compatible APIs, which are worse than the previous Windows APIs.

The enshittification of Windows gaming started with the removal, or sometimes deprecation, of the Windows gaming APIs.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by free652 »

pathartl wrote: post #597
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How is Rider v. VS? This is the sort of question I don't trust AI with yet.

I have been a .NET dev for the past 8 years and have switched fully to Rider. The only thing I miss from VS is the quick nav to see all the properties and methods in a file on the top bar. Everything else is vastly better: - Auto complete is a bit smarter (even the free AI suggestions are better) - Refactoring across files is often faster - Package management is undoubtedly the latest performance difference. I would…

does gemini code assist work with Rider? Since its a jetbrain ide? I would drop VS2022 in favor of anything, but vscode isn;t cutting it.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by leptons »

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Apple does plenty of harm every day when they force Safari as the only web browser engine allowed on iOS.

That’s why there are so many great PWAs for Android and most companies avoid writing Android apps and just tell Android users to use the web apps. Oh wait, that’s totally not the case.

My web app works great on Android, but will never work on iOS because they refuse to implement APIs I need, and they won't let anyone else implement a browser with the APIs either.

I refuse to pay Apple and buy their hardware to be able to develop a native app for their walled-garden platform, where they can then further extort me for any money my users spend through the app I create.

And the DOJ agrees with me, which is why they are suing Apple for abusive business practices.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by xp84 »

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Since when does carrying Apple device(s) mean we have goodwill for Apple? I dev on a Mac all day and own 2 macs at home. Why? * not going to try to convince the whole family to change and I want the various family & imessage features that everyone uses to all work * all the developers at my company use macs and I don't want to have to set up my own unique configurations for everything using WSL and stuff. * In the US…

> In the US, often the Android versions of "apps" you're forced to use by random businesses (instead of the Web which usually would work fine), are pawned off on an offshore team I haven't seen this. Also I would imagine those businesses would do the same for their iOS development? It's odd that you would assume they don't.

> It's odd that you would assume they don't.

The point is that regardless of whether one or both are offshored, the VP or CEO will get on your ass immediately if the iOS app has a crash or even a layout bug because they all use iOS personally. Whereas the most influential person in the company who even owns an Android device tends to be some IT manager.

YMMV but this is precisely how it worked in my last two jobs. For instance, in one company, we outsourced both, but the Android app was developed entirely in India, whereas the iOS team was supervised and led by a US-based contractor that we could (and did frequently) talk to.

Of course, only a tiny number of such "commercial" apps are native, 90% are some cross-platform framework. But the iOS versions tend to get far more attention when sloppy habits and lack of skill result in lag, race conditions, bugs, etc.

PS: I belive completely that this dynamic either does not exist, or is actually in REVERSE, in countries where Android is more dominant. In the US, iOS users dominate the top 80% of the orgchart in basically every company besides Google.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by ekianjo »

gmueckl wrote: post #435
meindnoch wrote: post #404

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Microsoft being the cool guys? The cool guys ? Mwuhahahhaa. This gave me the good belly laugh I needed. For the last 25 years, Microsoft was known for: - being the no. 1 enemy of free software - shipping the worst web browser in existence, despite 80%+ market share - making corrupt deals with governments around the world to tie them to their office software suite - creating vendor-locked proprietary extensions to kil…

This comment comes some 15 years late. Microsoft runs the biggest org on github and has open sourced a lot of their own code under permissive licenses. IE has been dead and buried for ages. Edge doesn't have even close to the same market share and is based on Chromium. They build more and more of their own UIs on Electron. I honestly don't remember when they tried to snare someone to use proprietary extensions to som…

> They build more and more of their own UIs on Electron.

you mean shit software like Teams that crash the whole time?

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by yndoendo »

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You have to pay me to use Apple, Microsoft, and Google products. None of those organizations are good. Apple and Google both use immutable locked down OSes on their main products that prevents improving device security, such as IP & DNS filtering / blocking. Microsoft user experience keeps getting worse. Latest version of Teams, as of today, says I'm at the "Calendar" screen and the navigation and content screen both…

So you don't use a smartphone?

Apple and Google directly, No.

I actively invest my personal income to organizations / businesses that are working to provide viable alternative. All are fruitful in reducing the barrier to a viable product. From improving hard-ware design to getting software in a stable state. Currently waiting on a phone from EU from a company on their attempt.

Went with a Farirphone 4 running /e/OS/. Yes, /e/OS/ is based on AOSP. This phone has a high chance of full postmarketos support. It is the closet from being disconnected from Google that I find to be stable. Postmarketos would allow for a quick jump.

In the mean time, still investing in companies and organizations that don't want to help Google in the smartphone market. It is a long-term investment.

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Post by debugnik »

thiht wrote: post #583
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VsCode is in a weird licensing limbo, or some of its microsoft plugins are anyway

No, it’s pretty clear. Some extensions are NOT open source. It’s not ambiguous, and there’s nothing wrong with that as long as these extensions don’t have superpowers (ie. access to unexposed VSCode APIs)

But they do. Microsoft extensions are the only ones whitelisted in the VS Code marketplace to request experimental ("proposed") APIs in their manifest. Remoting, notebooks and now Copilot have all been using experimental APIs, verboten to anyone else in the marketplace until they become stable a long time later.

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Post by michaelt »

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What you're describing would seem to be a borderline miraculously positive thing. Every single generation of tech companies starts off absolutely amazing. Then they get big, and in surprisingly rapid order enter into the abyss from which they never return But in modern times the particularly level level of big, scaling back of anti-competitive law enforcement, and a government increasingly obsessed with making [econo…

I tend to feel that a lack of government intervention isn't a significant piece of this puzzle. When Standard Oil held a monopoly on the oil world, it was mostly possible because they were monopolizing a discrete set of natural resources. Tech isn't that: Especially with AI lowering the barrier of entry to learning and generating code, tech is extremely resource-unconstrained. The main resource we fight over is just…

> I tend to feel that a lack of government intervention isn't a significant piece of this puzzle.

Depends if you agree with somenameforme's theory that tech companies start off amazing, get big, then become awful.

You may have noticed, in recent decades, we haven't bothered with enforcing anti-trust law. If Facebook wants to buy Instagram and Whatsapp, they can. If Microsoft wants to buy Github and Activision they can. If Google wants to buy Youtube, Doubleclick and Nest they can.

If we accept the premise that FAANG is where innovation goes to die, going 25 years without any antitrust enforcement might not have been the smartest move.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by spookie »

ivanmontillam wrote: post #511
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Microsoft continues to produce absolute garbage (except now it's also adware) and continues to utilise aggressive tactics to gain market share. They deserve plenty of hate.

I can agree anti-consumer behaviour is still ingrained in parts of Microsoft, as a dormant beast waiting to be Ballmer-ized for a new round. But again, why the baseless argument based on hate? You can (for example) de-bloat Windows 11 out from the telemetry and annoying widgets nobody uses, including the invasive Copilot. After de-bloating, it's a decent OS on its own. I should have the right to have a clean Windows…

Honestly less time consuming to just install some GNU/Linux distro.

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Post by n8cpdx »

catigula wrote: post #352
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Delusional take. Rosetta is for maintaining compatibility during the transition. Efficiency is fine with Rosetta. But it doesn’t matter because the ARM transition is essentially already done. Not true, unfortunately, for Windows. Aside from superior performance and battery life (even compared to ARM windows offerings), the M series devices are generally reliable, unlike windows laptops running Intel and (less so) AMD…

What is the efficiency loss specifically? Do you even know, or are you just asserting it? >it doesn't matter because the ARM transition is essentially already done 'Essentially' is doing a lot of heavy-lifting here, but, putting that aside, A. you're wrong, I've recently ran into Rosetta throttling and B. it's not a good reason to begin the project at all, it's only a good reason when it's already done. You're essent…

When the M1 transition started, Intel and AMD devices simply were not competitive, even after factoring Rosetta losses (https://www.macrumors.com/2020/11/15/m1-chip-emulating-x86-b...). That was the relevant comparison to Rosetta; it has been 5 years since the transition started, and nowadays as others have stated, it is common to not have Rosetta at all. MacOS is dropping support soon.

The real difference maker is efficiency. MacBook owners simply do not need to worry about whether they are plugged in or not; the performance does not change and the battery lasts many hours, even on demanding tasks. Occasionally you can cherry pick a benchmark where AMD appears to be competitive, but always at much higher power draw.

AMD and Intel users don’t really appreciate how much of a qualitative difference that is. Being even close in performance, while offering far superior reliability and battery life, puts apple silicon in a league of its own.

Share your numbers please. I’m having trouble finding reliable sources that aren’t YouTube videos or forum posts, but nothing I’ve been able to find contradicts my claims.

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