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OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by impulser_ »

hatenberg wrote: post #370
impulser_ wrote: post #355

Is Lina Khan to blame for this new acquihire meta? She was very aggressive in blocking any tech acquisition during her time and ever since we have seen more and more acquihires which I believe these companies are using to prevent themselves from getting sued. Google is having a hard time acquiring Wiz for 32b, and if it's blocked they owe 3.2b to Wiz. So why risk it when you can just spend the money to hire the talen…

The police is to blame for trying to enforce the law, it makes criminals innovate is exactly the kind of take I come here for.

I mean that's exactly what is happening right now. Companies are buying the assets of companies instead of the companies themselves so they don't have to worry about being sued which is a timely and costly process that has become very unreliable due to how much politics are involved in the process now.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by bdmorgan »

upcoming-sesame wrote: post #444
xnx wrote: post #237

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Isn't Gemini CLI 1000 requests/day free? https://blog.google/technology/developers/introducing-gemini...

Theoretically, practically it is riddled with rate limiting issues https://github.com/google-gemini/gemini-cli/issues/1502

We are working to resolve this. It's still in preview but expect to see healthy Gemini 2.5 Pro allocations for subscription customers in the near future.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by c0ff »

manquer wrote: post #255
asdev wrote: post #30

I never knew anyone who used Windsurf. These AI acquisitions have been unbelievable(in a bad way). WIX acquired some garbage Lovable.dev clone for 80 million. I think many of us are waiting for this bubble to pop(economy will likely pop too)

Everyone has a niche, Windsurf is the only large provider if you are a Jetbrains shop. There are some alternatives like continue.dev or Jetbrains own AI offering but no Cursor or Claude Code ( Sonnet 3.7/4) you can get through Jetbrains plugin or others, but Anthropic does not provide support same with cursor.

Augment Code is great on JetBrains

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by lp4x »

manquer wrote: post #255
asdev wrote: post #30

I never knew anyone who used Windsurf. These AI acquisitions have been unbelievable(in a bad way). WIX acquired some garbage Lovable.dev clone for 80 million. I think many of us are waiting for this bubble to pop(economy will likely pop too)

Everyone has a niche, Windsurf is the only large provider if you are a Jetbrains shop. There are some alternatives like continue.dev or Jetbrains own AI offering but no Cursor or Claude Code ( Sonnet 3.7/4) you can get through Jetbrains plugin or others, but Anthropic does not provide support same with cursor.

Been using AugmentCode on Jetbrains. By far the best. I tried Junie and Windsurf

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by herval »

aziaziazi wrote: post #613
herval wrote: post #235

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If you believe AGI is around the corner, doesn’t it mean it’ll replace ALL products?

We don’t eat intelligence : bikes, bottles, food, energy… have room for improvement but I hardly see how AGI would replace them. Same for physical services like labors, miners and cooks, even taxi/bus drivers for +99% of the world. Automation immensely improve their efficiency and the Modern Times is the past for half of the globe, but AGI isn’t the main facilitator. Replace all (most*) Silicon Valley -and cousins- s…

You don’t see how robots would replace all these roles? I take it you never seen a Waymo or read about how agriculture needs a tiny fraction of humans in the US vs a couple of decades ago? And those aren’t even “AGI-level” solutions…

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Post by freedomben »

kortilla wrote: post #571
tsimionescu wrote: post #388

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Not really, it's possible with any market economy, even a hypothetical socialist one (that is, one where all market actors are worker-owned co-ops). And, since there is no global super-state, the world economy is a market economy, so even if every state were a state-owned planned economy, North Korea style, still there would exist this type of competition between states.

Worker owned coops are not socialist unless the government forces it.

That is true, but if all business are worker owned Co-ops then it has to be forced

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by ec109685 »

RainyDayTmrw wrote: post #281
ec109685 wrote: post #267

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Background of how it works: https://kirshatrov.com/posts/claude-code-internals Prompt: https://gist.github.com/transitive-bullshit/487c9cb52c75a970...

I'm always surprised how short system prompts are. It makes me wonder where the rest of the app's behavior is encoded.

Lots and lots of reinforcement training.

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Post by e1g »

ineedasername wrote: post #365
e1g wrote: post #338

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I’m a founder/CTO of an enterprise SaaS, and I code everything from data modeling, to algos, backend integrations, frontend architecture, UI widgets, etc. All in TypeScript, which is perfectly suited to LLMs because we can fit the types and repo map into context without loading all code. As to “why”: I’ve been coding for 25 years, and LLMs is the first technology that has a non-linear impact on my output. It’s simult…

When you say generation behind, can you give a sense of what that means in functionality per your current use? Slower/lower quality, it would take more iterations to get what you want?

Context rot. My use case is iterating over a large codebase which quickly grows context. All LLMs degrade with larger context sizes, well below their published limits, but pro models degrade the least. R1 gets confused relatively quickly, despite their published numbers.

I think Fiction LiveBench captures some of those differences via a standardized benchmark that spreads interconnected facts through an increasingly large context to see how models can continue connecting the dots (similar to how in codebases you often have related ideas spread across many files)

https://fiction.live/stories/Fiction-liveBench-May-22-2025/o...

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