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Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by deeg »

falcor84 wrote: post #563
snarf21 wrote: post #533

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, the whole platform is about Othering. The greatest trick the rich ever pulled was convincing the middle class that the poor are the cause of all their problems.

I'm confused. I don't recall anyone ever saying that we need to get rid of the poor, but rather that we should try to make conditions better for everyone such that fewer people are poor. Did I miss my scheduled indoctrination message?

"They're eating the dogs. They're eating the cats."

That was the president lying on a nationally televised debate, the purpose of which was to lay the groundwork for exporting poor people who were here legally.

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Post by glowiefedposter »

kmarc wrote: post #222

As a Hungarian, told my friends in November: "the election results, Project 2025, the newly elected president, etc... is the same old story we have already seen with Orban 10+y ago. But don't worry, the US has a much better established democracy, shit can't really go as wrong as in Eastern-Europe" Well, I'm not so sure about that last part anymore.

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Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by catlifeonmars »

matt-attack wrote: post #602
JCattheATM wrote: post #591

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> If illegal immigration is such a problem, It isn't remotely the problem or even in the same galaxy as needing this type of response. The cause for the actions is racism. The protests are due to calling out racism and removing due process. Anything else is denial or sophistry, that's the simple truth.

So all counties with strong border policies are racist? That’s preposterous. Australia has some of the strictest border policies (drastically more strict than us). Do you believe they’re just racist policies too?

> So all counties with strong border policies are racist? That’s preposterous.

Your response is a straw man. Be better.

FWIW I don’t agree with OP in that there isn’t a single cause, but racism definitely plays a role.

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by justinrubek »

sam345 wrote: post #515
internet_points wrote: post #409

https://bsky.app/profile/iwillnotbesilenced.bsky.social/post... The galaxy is watching.

So what is the complaint that tear gas was used? It's used all the time it's a normal crowd control measure. The galaxy is watching? Please.

This is not justification in itself. It's abused as a crowd control measure frequently. This rendition doesn't gain some special immunity to that abuse.

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Post by aaronbaugher »

righthand wrote: post #603
major505 wrote: post #545

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The problem is that people think that because they have a degree they will not be affect by the illegal imigration crisis. They think this is a problem only for blue collar workers, that they cannot empathize with.

11 million is less than 5% of the population. What immigration crises? Less than 5% is a working system.

We've been hearing "11 million" for decades. No one really knows what the number is because no one in charge of finding out has wanted to know, but it's far higher.

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Post by riskable »

neither_color wrote: post #550
trilbyglens wrote: post #425

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Because the system is designed to allow these people in a gray zone, so they do not have access to the same rights as citizens and therefore can be exploited. The problem is not illegal immigration. It's just a political football. Our economy would fily collapse without this cheap labor to exploit.

The US refuses to admit it has always had an addiction to cheap labor so it entices desperate people to come over with the implicit assumption that if they keep their head down and are otherwise law-abiding it'll "look the other way." Some of them, after years of living on the outskirts of town, commuting 1.5 hours each day to back-breaking minimum wage jobs, and years without seeing their families, are able to scrou…

The only reason we don't reform our work visa programs for cheap labor is because business owners do NOT want to have to pay these people minimum wage, pay taxes on them, or pay to insure them (workman's comp and similar). That's it. That's all there is to it.

As soon as you institute such a program businesses could get sued for illegal labor conditions, abuses of employees, sexual abuse of employees, violations of contract law, and more. Their expenses for imported labor would probably triple.

Would such businesses close as a result? Maybe a handful would but the real impact would be a huge drop in profits—also known as a greater share of profits going to workers.

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Post by Sharlin »

matt-attack wrote: post #602
JCattheATM wrote: post #591

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If illegal immigration is such a problem, It isn't remotely the problem or even in the same galaxy as needing this type of response. The cause for the actions is racism. The protests are due to calling out racism and removing due process. Anything else is denial or sophistry, that's the simple truth.

So all counties with strong border policies are racist? That’s preposterous. Australia has some of the strictest border policies (drastically more strict than us). Do you believe they’re just racist policies too?

What makes you think that racism isn’t a major reason for Australia’s strict policies? It doesn’t seem like a “preposterous” hypothesis to me.

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Post by Loughla »

BLKNSLVR wrote: post #197
lenerdenator wrote: post #81

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Trump has piloted a plane into the skyscraper that is the US democratic system of government. The destruction happens in the blink of an eye. Rebuilding takes a lifetime.

And I don't think anyone understands how deeply the destruction runs, even if he is stopped today.

Take his budget proposal for example. It explicitly called for the complete de-funding of TRIO programs. I have worked with multiple TRIO programs at multiple institutions over the years. While I am hopeful that the congress will institute funding for them, but the damage is done. People who have worked for these programs for decades are leaving, because of the uncertainty. These are career professionals who have helped THOUSANDS of kids make a better future. Further, TRIO programs are historically an entry into higher education for first-generation and low-income students not just in terms of being served by the programs, but also being employed by them. Every TRIO program I've worked with has been staffed by low-income first-generation folks. Without this entry into higher education, we will lose these voices in postsecondary education. People start with TRIO then move into hard dollars and off of grants, spreading their experiences across a campus.

The damage is done and we'll be feeling it for longer than my children will be alive.

Subsequently, the thing that really caused my immediate family (hardcore republican) to turn off of Trump was actually his most recent budget proposal and the hearings associated with it. They saw that he was cutting programs that help rural areas more than urban areas and feel betrayed. It takes everything I have in my to not just say "I told you so".

Finally - and completely disconnected, if you want to know how full of shit this administration is - The Secretary of Education said out loud that the (1)TRIO programs were out-of-date, that (2)schools needed to find other ways to recruit students, and that (3)there was no way to measure their success.

(1) TRIO has decades of research supporting their most effective models, and is a thought leader in student support and success for at-risk youth. The current trend of "pathways in higher education" that is sweeping the US is literally just a TRIO model.

(2) TRIO programs are explicitly banned from being used as recruiting tools for their host institutions if they are hosted by a college/university. It is illegal.

(3) TRIO programs submit an annual performance report with multiple measures of success. Any inability by ED to find proof of TRIO effectiveness is because they are incompetent in analyzing the data, not because the data doesn't exist.

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by thinkingtoilet »

bufferoverflow wrote: post #472

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Colin Kaepernick protested very peacefully and people were irate. The vice president went out of his way to just to walk out of a game. Let's stop with the "I'd be ok if it was a peaceful protest" nonsense. The protests in LA were peaceful until the military showed up. It was intentionally escalated because they know people will believe anything they see on TV. The burning cars didn't happen until after the military started a war.

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Post by vel0city »

andsoitis wrote: post #589
Larrikin wrote: post #224

If illegal immigration is such a problem, why not fine businesses 5x salary for using the labor, for as long as it was used? There are a lot of systems in place to verify working status at this point. It eliminates any incentive to hire this cheaper labor willing to work for lower wages. The people coming will be coming for a variety of reasons but it won't be to take the jobs of the uneducated Americans

> If illegal immigration is such a problem, why not fine businesses 5x salary for using the labor, for as long as it was used? Why do you assume that that doesn’t happen? - Chicago (2014) https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/chicago-area-company-fined... - Texas (2012) https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/2-companies-admit-hiring-i... - Colorado (2025) https://www.cpr.org/2025/04/30/ice-fines-colorado-janitorial... etc.

These actions are rare. And the fines are more slaps on the wrist instead of any real action.

ACSI fined $2M for the same amount paid as wages to illegal labor. How much profit did they make from that? Sounds more like the cost of doing business than any real crushing fine.

Put the management of these companies in prison for ~~knowingly~~ recklessly hiring illegal labor. Make it likely they will be audited and caught. Make it easier to get a work permit That will solve a lot of illegal migration.

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