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I mean I already heard comments about myself when I went and RTFM'd "You read manuals?!?" "... Yeah? (pause) Wait, you don't ?!?!?"
To be honest, I do find most manuals (man pages) horrible to quickly get information how to do something and here LLMs do shine for me (as long as they don't mix up version numbers).
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I mean I already heard comments about myself when I went and RTFM'd "You read manuals?!?" "... Yeah? (pause) Wait, you don't ?!?!?"
Imagine reading in 2025, when you can just watch tiktok about it! /s
"Teach me how to use Linux [but I hate reading documentation]".
It infuriated me.
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Who claimed that?
> Generating shareholder value is very important for the well-being of society!
"Stonks go up" is not a proxy for success. Success is when pharma executives don't tremble like the villains they are from hearing the name of Mario's little brother. Success is when normal people get from the social contract at least as much as they put in. If we, the people, get less than from the social contract that we put in, as we nowadays observe, I can guarantee you we will break down the social contract, and the ones having most to lose from that are your precious stakeholders.
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#625> [Harper Reed] cautioned against being overly precious about the value of deeply understanding one’s code, which is no longer necessary to ensure that it works. That just strikes me as an odd thing to say. I’m convinced that this is the dividing line between today’s software engineers and tomorrow’s AI engineers (in whatever form that takes - prompt, vibe, etc.) Reed’s statement feels very much like a justification…
And yet people here keep arguing proper cs education is not important. Without proper understanding of CS, this is what we get. Lack of rigour.
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> that someone else was foolish/idealistic enough to store on GitHub That hits hard from my youth (and I'm only in my early 30s). Can we all please actively communicate to people that open source is not a business model, and any large firms promoting it are likely just looking for free work? Like communicate that in an empowering way? Yeah, it would probably decimate open source contributions in the short term. But h…
I argued this point in the early 2000s when Richard Stallman was seen as a god in the software community and tried to convince everyone that this would be the new business model for software. The same could be said about copyrights/patents (another point argued over the years). If you get rid of these protections for everyone, the only people that will end up on top are the large companies with lots of resources that…
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They took their time precisely specifying the robot movements so they're always repeatable. Almost like...some sort of carefully crafted code.
You misconstrue the analogy. The robot isn’t equivalent to the code in this analogy. It’s the thing that generates the code. The robot operates deterministically, it has a fixed input and a fixed output. This is what makes it reliable. Your “AI coder” is nothing like that. It’s non deterministic on its best day, and it gets everything thrown at it so even more of a coin toss. This seriously undermines any expectation…
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#629> [Harper Reed] cautioned against being overly precious about the value of deeply understanding one’s code, which is no longer necessary to ensure that it works. That just strikes me as an odd thing to say. I’m convinced that this is the dividing line between today’s software engineers and tomorrow’s AI engineers (in whatever form that takes - prompt, vibe, etc.) Reed’s statement feels very much like a justification…
The fact that they used the auto industry as an example is funny, because the Toyota way and six sigma came out of that industry. So you are telling me, your AI code passes a six sigma grade of quality control? I have a bridge to sell you. No, Bridges!
Six Sigma came out of Motorola, who still practice it today.
It was then adopted by the likes of GE, before finding its way into the automotive and many other manufacturing industries.
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#630To me it feels like part of the hype train, like crypto & VR. I recently had the (dis)pleasure of fixing a bug in a codebase that was vibe coded. It ends up being a collection of disorganized business problems converted into code, without any kind of structure. Refinements are implemented as super-narrow patches, resulting in complex and unorganized code, whereas a human developer might take a step back to try and ex…
My boss wanted me to put blockchain in everything (so he could market this to our clients). I printed a small sign and left on my desk. Everytime someone asked me about blockchain, I would point the sign "We don't need blockchain!"