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Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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Post by kuratkull »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #405
kuratkull wrote: post #363

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My experience from all the cars i have driven is that GPS shows 3-5km/h less than the car does. (In Europe)

That's actually a legal requirement (had to google some to get the source): [0]. And a graph: [1] [0] https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX:42... [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/16mquqv/sp...

The graph seems a bit too much. It says that GPS 110 means ~125 on the odo. Although from personal experience I'd say it's more around a delta of 5 at those speeds, and 3 for lower speeds.

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Post by miltonlost »

austin-cheney wrote: post #606

I have never understood the chronic war on travel velocity. Its like the war on drugs, but far more pointless. Speed is just one of many factors, and perhaps the least significant, in the frequency and probability of traffic accidents. Speed is absolutely a factor in the severity of an accident, but not the probability of one after accounting for all other variables. For example, if you leave sufficient distance betw…

> Speed is just one of many factors, and perhaps the least significant, in the frequency and probability of traffic accidents. Speed is absolutely a factor in the severity of an accident, but not the probability of one after accounting for all other variables.

That's because you are afflicted with Car Brain and are only thinking about speeding affecting other cars and not speeding affecting acidents involving cars and pedestrians or cyclists. Municipalities going to "war on speed" are protecting human lives of people outside of the car.

Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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Post by jasonlotito »

snowwrestler wrote: post #551

The Fast Company article says “Republicans in Virginia just passed a law to make it a punishment for repeated traffic violations.” But the Virginia legislature is currently controlled by the Democrats. And the delegate quoted in this local news story is a Democrat: https://wjla.com/news/local/anti-speeding-device-car-reckles... That story is probably more useful than the Fast Company one. It clarifies that the new la…

These were the sponsors.

Patrick Hope (D)*, Betsy Carr (D), Holly Seibold (D)

So, really not sure how the author got to "Republicans in Virginia"

Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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Post by Brybry »

matthewdgreen wrote: post #612
snowwrestler wrote: post #551

The Fast Company article says “Republicans in Virginia just passed a law to make it a punishment for repeated traffic violations.” But the Virginia legislature is currently controlled by the Democrats. And the delegate quoted in this local news story is a Democrat: https://wjla.com/news/local/anti-speeding-device-car-reckles... That story is probably more useful than the Fast Company one. It clarifies that the new la…

Here are the votes: https://www.billtrack50.com/billdetail/1767611 ETA: click the "Votes" tab.

Which looks bipartisan with Democrats strongly for it and only some Republicans against.

Official state legislature bill page for future reference: https://lis.virginia.gov/bill-details/20251/HB2096

Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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Post by Gareth321 »

GuB-42 wrote: post #497
Gareth321 wrote: post #422

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The primary reason is political: people don't like the idea of the government living inside our cars 24x7, telling us how fast we're allowed to go. Even though most of us don't speed. Other examples of this phenomenon include: * A government mandated alcohol, cigarette, and BMI limit to prevent major health issues. * Government surveillance of our emails, messages, phone calls, bank accounts and internet activity. *…

There is that, but in this case it is not particularly authoritarian. - There is already a whole lot of regulations on what makes a car street legal, including rules that can be quite unpopular among drivers and yet important on a large scale. In particular those related to the environment. - Limiting the top speed of cars does not imply surveillance or advanced GPS-based systems. The idea is just to make it so that…

I think you're logically correct. It's the feeling such a policy elicits which makes it untenable. I agree with your points conceptually, but the moment I would have to install a government speed limiter on my car is the moment I vote for someone else. It feels invasive, and I don't like feeling like the paternal hand of the government is all the way up my ass, controlling my gas pedal.

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Post by ryao »

ponector wrote: post #620
austin-cheney wrote: post #606

I have never understood the chronic war on travel velocity. Its like the war on drugs, but far more pointless. Speed is just one of many factors, and perhaps the least significant, in the frequency and probability of traffic accidents. Speed is absolutely a factor in the severity of an accident, but not the probability of one after accounting for all other variables. For example, if you leave sufficient distance betw…

You accept speed as a huge factor in the severity of an accident but cannot understand the war against speeding?

The speed limits are set artificially low to try to reduce fleet fuel consumption, yet are well known to increase the probability of accidents since they violate the 85th percentile principle. Attempts to enforce the artificially low speed limits cause more collisions while claiming to be intended to prevent collisions. Given that, it makes perfect sense why he cannot understand it. It is unfit for its stated purpose.

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Post by detaro »

kuratkull wrote: post #621
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #405

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's actually a legal requirement (had to google some to get the source): [0]. And a graph: [1] [0] https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX:42... [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/16mquqv/sp...

The graph seems a bit too much. It says that GPS 110 means ~125 on the odo. Although from personal experience I'd say it's more around a delta of 5 at those speeds, and 3 for lower speeds.

it has to fall somewhere in the shaded area. So if it shows 125, then the actual speed must be between 125 and 110 at worst.

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Post by miltonlost »

ryao wrote: post #603
toss1 wrote: post #601

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>monitoring everyone all the time and eliminating the ability to move from Point A to Point B privately That is a 100% strawman argument. NO ONE is proposing such measures No proposal, even the blanket EU requirements eliminate privacy in travel. The devices all work entirely locally with GPS to monitor speed vs local limits, and upon exceeding local limits, output an audio/tactile alert and/or limit accelerator inp…

Do you apply the same logic to backdoors in encryption? I am sure you could say no one is proposing implementing and using back doors on the general public as a whole, as they would only be for criminal elements. The reason that people oppose this is because the shift from only affecting criminal elements to affecting everyone is so easy to do that nothing would stop it once the infrastructure is in place.

Backdoors for encryption have mathematical impossibilities relying behind them. Speed regulators on cars are not mathematically impossible. Your analogy is fatuous, like most HN analogies. Argue the actual incident, not your made up analogies.

Re: Virginia passes law to enforce maximum vehicle speeds for repeat speeders

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Post by ryao »

graemep wrote: post #527

Repeat offenders should not be allowed to drive. In the UK we have 12 points, and lose them for various offences. You get a fine, usually with the alternative of a course the first time. Speed again within 12 months and you get a fine and a minimum of three points (more if you are well above the limit). Speed again within four years and you will lose more points, and AFAIK pretty much guaranteed to be more than the m…

In NY, we operate on a 11 point system. Gain 11 points and lose your license.

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Post by GuB-42 »

vv_ wrote: post #554
Gareth321 wrote: post #422

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The primary reason is political: people don't like the idea of the government living inside our cars 24x7, telling us how fast we're allowed to go. Even though most of us don't speed. Other examples of this phenomenon include: * A government mandated alcohol, cigarette, and BMI limit to prevent major health issues. * Government surveillance of our emails, messages, phone calls, bank accounts and internet activity. *…

> Even though most of us don't speed. I visited California once and was going from LAX to Kings Canyon National Park. I was driving the speed limit (I wasn't in any hurry) and got passed by literally everyone on the road. The vast majority of people drive faster than the speed limit. The question is "how much" over the speed limit you can comfortably go before you run the risk of being stopped and fined. Repeat offen…

That's one thing I found weird driving in the US. Everyone consistently drove about 5 mph above the speed limit, which I ended up doing too as driving at the speed limit felt like being a nuisance, and was probably less safe too. I remember joking that American are so much into tipping that they even tip speed limits.

But why? If people, including law enforcement are comfortable with doing 70mph on 65mph roads, why not make the speed limit 70mph? Why is there an official and an unofficial speed limit? I heard even self driving cars are programmed to go at the "unofficial" speed limit.

For the context, I live in France. We have a lot of automatic speed traps that will systematically fine you for going 5 km/h above the speed limit, which isn't a wide margin. It means that either you are speeding, or you are driving at the posted speed limit, there is no "speed limit + tip".

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