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Re: An image of an archeologist adventurer who wears a hat and uses a bullwhip

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Post by beardyw »

Xmd5a wrote: post #615
weinzierl wrote: post #593

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Many years ago I tried to order a t-shirt with the postscript tiger on the front from Spreadshirt. It was removed on Copyright claims before I could order one item myself. After some back and forth they restored it for a day and let me buy one item for personal use. My point is: Doesn't have to be Sony, doesn't have to be a snitch - overzealous anticipatory obedience by the shop might have been enough.

>After some back and forth they restored it for a day and let me buy one item for personal use. I used Spreadshirt to print a panel from the Tintin comic on a T-shirt, and I had no problem ordering it (it shows Captain Haddock moving through the jungle, swatting away the mosquitoes harassing him, giving himself a big slap on the face, and saying, 'Take that, you filthy beasts!').

I bought Tintin T-shirts 40 years ago in Thailand (the "branded" choices were amazing). They were actually really good, still got them!

Re: An image of an archeologist adventurer who wears a hat and uses a bullwhip

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Post by TeMPOraL »

specproc wrote: post #591
csallen wrote: post #466

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> The ONLY reason to have any law prohibiting unlicensed copying of intangible property is to incentivize the creation of intangible property. That was the original purpose. It has since been coopted by people and corporations whose incentives are to make as much money as possible by monopolizing valuable intangible "property" for as long as they can. And the chief strategic move these people have made is to convince…

It's been a US-led project for the benefit of American corporations. If I was running the trade emergency room in any European state right now, I'd have "stop enforcing US copyright" up there next to "reciprocal tarrifs".

Unfortunately we have a bunch of copyright-friendly groups in EU, so this would only work in the "stop enforcing US copyright in retaliation" sense, but not likely in the "stop enforcing copyright because on the net, it's a scam" sense.

Re: An image of an archeologist adventurer who wears a hat and uses a bullwhip

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Post by troppl »

Something I haven't yet seen mentioned, but that is going through my mind. To me, it doesn't even seem like OpenAI got any better at producing GenAI images. Instead, it seems to me like they now simply removed a whole bunch of guardrails. Guardrails that, for example, made AI images shitty on purpose, so to be "safe" and allow people to kind of recognize. Making all of this "safe" was still very en vogue a few months back, but now there was simply a big policy/societal change and they are going with the trends.

This then allows their pictures to look more realistic, but that also now shows very clearly how much they have (presumably always) trained on copyrighted pictures.

Re: An image of an archeologist adventurer who wears a hat and uses a bullwhip

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Post by gambiting »

neomantra wrote: post #604

> Maybe Studio Ghibli making it through the seemingly deterministic GPT guardrails was an OpenAI slip up, a mistake, The author is so generous... but Sam Altman literally has a Ghibli-fied Social profile and in response to all this said OpenAI chooses its demos very carefully. His primary concern is that Ghibli-fying prompts are over-consuming their GPU resources, degrading the service by preventing other ChatGPT tas…

The official White House account has been posting ghiblified images too, Altman knows that as long as he's not critical of the current administration he's untouchable.

Re: An image of an archeologist adventurer who wears a hat and uses a bullwhip

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Post by verisimi »

As a consumer, is it possible for me to opt out of seeing IP protected imagery?

I would be absolutely fine with not having pokemon, mickey mouse etc shoved down my .. eyeballs.

I know this is a ridiculous point. But I think I'm getting at something here - it ought not to be a one-way street - where IP owners/corporations etc endlessly push their nonsense at me - but then, if I respond in a personal way to that nonsense I am guilty of some sort of theft.

It is a perfect natural response to engage with what I experience - but if I cannot respond as I like to that experience because of artificial constructs in law - perhaps it ought to be possible (legally) to avoid that IP protected immersion in the first place. Perhaps this would also be technologically possible now.

Won't someone think of the consumers?

Re: An image of an archeologist adventurer who wears a hat and uses a bullwhip

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Post by red75prime »

vkou wrote: post #613
red75prime wrote: post #590

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If you define feeding of copyrighted material into a non-human learning machine as theft, then sure. Anything that mitigates legal consequences will be a fig leaf. The question is "should we define it as such?"

If a graphics design company was using human artists to do the same thing that OpenAI is, they'd be sued out of existence. But because a computer, and not a human does it, they get to launder their responsibility.

Doing what? Telling their artists to create what they want regardless of copyright and then filtering the output?

For humans it doesn't make sense because we have generation and filtering in a single package.

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Post by lupusreal »

jauntywundrkind wrote: post #410
areoform wrote: post #188

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Theft from whom and how? Are you telling me that our culture should be deprived of the idea of Indiana Jones and the feelings that character inspires in all of us forever just because a corporation owns the asset? Indiana Jones is 44 years old. When are we allowed to remix, recreate and expand on this like humanity has done since humans first started sitting down next to a fire and telling stories? edit: this reminds…

Its kind of funny that everyone is harping this way or that way about IP. This is a kind of strange comment for me to read. Because imby tone it sounds like a rebuttal? But by content, it agrees with a core thing I said about myself: > and as someone who thinks IP is itself incredibly ripping off humanity & should be vastly scoped down, it's important to me to not rest my arguments on IP violations What's just such a…

I have given detailed descriptions of my own novel ideas to these image generators and they have faithfully implemented my ideas. I don't need the bot to be creative, I can do that myself. The bot is a paint brush. Give it to somebody who isn't creative and you won't get anything creative out of it. That isn't the tool's fault, it's merely an inadequacy of the user.

Re: An image of an archeologist adventurer who wears a hat and uses a bullwhip

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Post by jim-jim-jim »

loki-ai wrote: post #502
jim-jim-jim wrote: post #458

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My income is tied to the labor time I exert in creating/supporting services. I don't sit back and collect royalties on the code itself. Software is one of the first fields where the fundamental worthlessness of content revealed itself, hence FOSS. When you watch a musical performance, you are also paying for labor. Even when you buy a physical art object, all the costs involved decompose back to labor. When you have…

you’re allowed to tie your income to creating systems precisely because you’re not allowed to copy them from previous companies or other sources selling software isn’t much different from a musician collecting royalties, especially now when everything’s shifted to a subscription model. it lets us keep pretending we’re adding value, even though most of them often stays the same for years

Sorry, but I don't buy it. It's not like we're milking a secret golden algorithm. If all my company's code were open sourced tomorrow, I don't think a competitor could do much with it, since they'd just be presented with bog standard CRUD. It's still relationships and sweat that's keeping the lights on for the time being.

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Post by slig »

gambiting wrote: post #624
neomantra wrote: post #604

> Maybe Studio Ghibli making it through the seemingly deterministic GPT guardrails was an OpenAI slip up, a mistake, The author is so generous... but Sam Altman literally has a Ghibli-fied Social profile and in response to all this said OpenAI chooses its demos very carefully. His primary concern is that Ghibli-fying prompts are over-consuming their GPU resources, degrading the service by preventing other ChatGPT tas…

The official White House account has been posting ghiblified images too, Altman knows that as long as he's not critical of the current administration he's untouchable.

>he's untouchable

Doesn't he have a pretty bad disagreement with Elon?

Re: An image of an archeologist adventurer who wears a hat and uses a bullwhip

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Post by eb0la »

mcmcmc wrote: post #69
littlecranky67 wrote: post #60

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But I can hire an artist and ask him to draw me a picture of Indiana Jones, he creates a perfect copy and I hang it on my fridge. Where did I (or the artist) violate any copyright (or other) laws? It is the artist that is replaced by the AI, not the copyrighted IP.

Depends on if you paid him or not. If he sold it to you, then he is infringing on Disney’s IP and depriving them of that revenue.

If you're paying for tokens used to generate that...
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