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US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s

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Re: US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s

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Does anyone still have any doubts that Trump is helping Putin? He consistently helps Russian fascists using "boiling the frog" method to avoid doing it too rapidly. But it's still glaringly obvious.

Everyone who for voted for this scum should be blamed.

Re: US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s

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Actually we just want the war in Ukraine to end. Hope that helps. There's a lot of bloviating from the chattering class about cozying up to Russia, but I've yet to hear a cogent alternative. And no, I don't think "endlessly funding Ukraine to a forever stalemate" qualifies.

Why just this war? What's Israel's cogent plan?

I'm not sure we should be funding that, either.

Re: US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s

#623

This seems like a huge own goal for the US. Who will want to buy American military technology, when the ability to employ it is at the whim of whoever wins the next election? Especially as it's clear now than any alliance with the US is fragile at best, and could end overnight depending on which side of the bed Trump wakes up on.

This will soon be not only limited to military technologies

Re: US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually we just want the war in Ukraine to end. Hope that helps. There's a lot of bloviating from the chattering class about cozying up to Russia, but I've yet to hear a cogent alternative. And no, I don't think "endlessly funding Ukraine to a forever stalemate" qualifies.

You want the war to end so that Russians can do what they did to Bucha a thousand more times! You want the war to end so that Poland, Japan, Taiwan and Australia no longer trust that the US will help them and develop their own nuclear weapons!

I want the war to end because I have no preferable alternative.

And you, too, have failed to present one. Is funding a never-ending stalemate indefinitely the only option?

Re: US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s

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And the story continues. This means that no country will want to buy F16s. If you don't get support they are useless. They are eroding really fast the US shine and trust in the world. This is going to have a massive effect on the US economy, internal consumption will not save it. This is the end of an empire while its rich kings are golfing every weekend on the taxpayer dime using federal and local resources. I am re…

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Re: US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s

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I always thought that the American Empire would be dismantled when it elected a leftist steeped in anti-imperialist ideology who wanted to better the world. Nope, turns out that the American Empire is being dismantled by something else entirely. A subset of the populace that feels jealous of those with more and scared of social change, reacting to try to hurt their fellow country men? A megalomaniac leader who is som…

Horseshoe theory addresses this.

I need to give a name to my theory which posits that horseshoe theory is a bullshit right-wing talking point, no different from the classic villain trope "We are not so different, you and I", where one side admits to being awful but uses false analogies to try and paint the other with the same brush, and the other rejects both the comparison and the conclusion.

The underlying goal of horseshoe theory is not to create a meaningful comparison between two positions, but an underhanded attempt to demoralise those on the left, and to swing undecided centrists by convincing them that the left isn't really offering the progress that it claims. I think it's also used as a shield by people who are right-leaning but don't want to admit it out loud.

...unless you can find a single good example of a notable left-wing proponent suggesting that horseshoe theory is valid, actually.

Re: US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s

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I fully expect that in some near future the civilian infrastructure also will be de-coupled from USA in the name of national security by other nations. At this very moment, Apple and Google have the ability to disable communications for billions of people. They can make computers and phones totally unusable. Not just some features but everything. EU was trying to legislate around this risk by forcing companies to bri…

I've thought about this for some time now, and am surprised I haven't seen this voiced more often. The way almost all societies have allowed themselves to be completely dependent on a few providers is mind-boggling. Someone else 10,000 miles away has the kill switch for your phone, your credit card, your brokerage account, your TV, likely your HVAC if you're into home automation, maybe your car.

Just recently Musk threatened cutting Ukraine's access to Starlink and then insulted the Polish foreign affairs minister once it was pointed out that its paid by Poland. Here: https://x.com/sikorskiradek/status/1898700362460070080

Even though later he claimed that he did not mean that, I guess more people will start thinking about these things.

Re: US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s

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And the story continues. This means that no country will want to buy F16s. If you don't get support they are useless. They are eroding really fast the US shine and trust in the world. This is going to have a massive effect on the US economy, internal consumption will not save it. This is the end of an empire while its rich kings are golfing every weekend on the taxpayer dime using federal and local resources. I am re…

How can any reasonable national leader justify building their military on American systems anymore? Especially now that the U.S. government is also talking about not living up to its NATO obligations. This is not gonna hurt the rest of the world. Defense is where the U.S. exports a lot. So cutting back on U.S. weaponry will only help other nations. The same is true of Tech. Currently the tech industry is global, but…

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Re: US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s

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And the story continues. This means that no country will want to buy F16s. If you don't get support they are useless. They are eroding really fast the US shine and trust in the world. This is going to have a massive effect on the US economy, internal consumption will not save it. This is the end of an empire while its rich kings are golfing every weekend on the taxpayer dime using federal and local resources. I am re…

> This is the end of an empire

Empires are not good.

> I am really amazed there are still almost half of the people able to twist reality to defend what is a direct attack against their own personal interests

Self-interest is a middle-class religion. I think that a lot of Americans think that what we are doing is morally wrong. I also think that the idea that everybody else is going to shun our military exports over ditching Ukraine is absolutely hilarious. Ukraine isn't paying for any of this, they don't even count as a customer. Everybody has been free at all times to buy from the UK, France, and Germany, and if they don't see the difference between themselves and Ukraine, they should make decisions about their futures accordingly.

I might remind them in passing that borrowing money from Germany to buy weapons from Germany was what brought Greece's economy down. Also I'd remind them, for what it's worth, that again they're partnering with Germany or France or the UK to invade Russia for unintelligible reasons.

Re: US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s

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How can any reasonable national leader justify building their military on American systems anymore? Especially now that the U.S. government is also talking about not living up to its NATO obligations. This is not gonna hurt the rest of the world. Defense is where the U.S. exports a lot. So cutting back on U.S. weaponry will only help other nations. The same is true of Tech. Currently the tech industry is global, but…

risk of war going hot aside, the long term effect of this is fantastic for the rest of the world's industries AWS, GCP and Azure looked unbeatable a month ago but today, if you're a government official in the UK, Poland or Germany, would you be recommending AWS as your cloud provider? absolutely not they now have massive geopolitical risks associated with them due to being under the control of the increasingly unstab…

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