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Re: TikTok goes dark in the US

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The Communications Act of 1934 limits foreign ownership of many communication technologies such as TV. TikTok has easily more influence than most TV channels so it does not seem strange to limit its foreign ownership. If the purchase of US steel by a Japanese company threatens national security, surely the ownership of TikTok is also one.

Sure, but just because its law doesnt mean its just. If you are just talking about "the law" you are talking about something very different than everyone else. Even if its the law, its obviously a violation of the intent behind free speech to limit speech only to those who the government can intimidate. If the only way to have free speech is to be within arms reach of the government's threats you arent really a bastion of free speech, you just practice speech within the bounds of what the government will allow. And as we have recently seen, that can change dramatically depending on who is paying.

Re: TikTok goes dark in the US

#622

There's an interesting cognitive bias in the western media that tends to define freedom of the press (and freedom of expression) as exactly what is perceived as freedom in this side of the iron curtain. Libgen domains are "seized", and tiktok "goes dark", but of course other countries "censor" porn or news outlets. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Press_Freedom_Index

> freedom of the press

In many European countries this still includes regulations for publishers - while social media are somehow excluded from these regulations (and that explains why society is in state that is now when lies are not confronted but amplified).

Re: TikTok goes dark in the US

#623
How does this work, why are they banning individual companies? Shouldn't they be pointing to the regulation broken (or just set up such regulation)? Is the problem here that this is on the federal level and there is are no federal privacy regulations so they just have to wing it?

Speaking of which, how does this work with the GDPR? Does TikTok abide by the GDPR in Europe or are they just not able to sanction them for violating it?

Re: TikTok goes dark in the US

#624

It's a shame that it's come to this. I feel that all arguments that TikTok is unhealthy or spyware and bad for our general public are valid, but the same arguments also apply to Instagram/Twitter/Whatever. Rather than have some sort of further regulation for what data any application can collect and present to Americans, we've just brought the hammer down on the millions of people that use this application for their…

Please be serious. Any suggestion that TikTok poses no real threat to U.S. interests is staggeringly naive. Imagine if CBS, NBC, FOX, and ABC were all owned and operated by the government of America’s greatest adversary—that’s essentially what we’re dealing with. Meanwhile, Chinese citizens are explicitly barred from accessing TikTok in China, and American social media companies are shut out of China’s market altoget…

It is not the same. These news networks as well as papers like the NYT still count as authoritative sources. Almost all pundits on YouTube, even on dissenting channels, still use these to know what is going on.

The real danger is indoctrinating teenagers. For example, China could spread extreme wokeness and tell girls (indirectly via influencers) that having children is oppressive. This sort of propaganda is easier and well known to US adherents of Bernays. The US is world leader in this.

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#625

Is it possible that all of these are true at the same time? - Tiktok has great content and a great algorithm to help you find it - Tiktok advances Chinese interests - Tiktok spies and collects data, such as scraping your clipboard, network - Tiktok collects face recognition data on citizens worldwide - Tiktok is addictive, and designed to be - Tiktok is cultural expression, and contributes to people's feeling of iden…

>Tiktok contributed to Brexit This does not seem possible, Tiktok was launched in 2016.

Fair point :D it was more about arguing that the situation is complex and it can be an excellent and terrible app at the same time, depending on what your measure is.

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The app was shutdown a couple of hours ago in the US and this was the message all TikTok users saw when they opened the app.[1] The same guy who pushed for a ban massively last year, is going to save the app despite the security concerns he and most of our government said they had. If only we knew what happened in that classified briefing that made them vote together across party lines. [1] https://a57.foxnews.com/st…

I’ve seen other versions of this like https://www.reddit.com/r/popculturechat/comments/1i4nm32/rip... - none of which mention Trump. I do wonder if this version (mentioning Trump) is real - the domain from the link is Foxnews…

I was using the app throughout

First, there was a generic message:

> We regret that a U.S. law banning TikTok will take effect on January 19 and force us to make our services temporarily unavailable.

> We're working to restore our service in the U.S. as soon as possible, and we appreciate your support. Please stay tuned.

Exactly an hour later, it changed to:

> A law banning TikTok has been enacted in the U.S. Unfortunately, that means you can't use TikTok for now.

> We are fortunate that President Trump has indicated that he will work with us on a solution to reinstate TikTok once he takes office. Please stay tuned!

Re: TikTok goes dark in the US

#629

The app was shutdown a couple of hours ago in the US and this was the message all TikTok users saw when they opened the app.[1] The same guy who pushed for a ban massively last year, is going to save the app despite the security concerns he and most of our government said they had. If only we knew what happened in that classified briefing that made them vote together across party lines. [1] https://a57.foxnews.com/st…

I wonder how much ByteDance got from the incoming administration to pull that stunt. Super shady. "We voluntarily shut down our service in your country (er, I mean, we HAD TO, for real!) but don't worry, a true hero is soon arriving to save the day!"

What do you mean voluntarily? The SC upheld the law.
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