Live data from Hacker News

Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

reuters.com

621–630 of 1001 posts

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

#621

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not true at all. The current conflict isn't some thousand year old feud. It was very much caused by the deliberate provocation and importation of European settlers via Zionism. It's easy to wave our hands and say "it's so complicated!" or "they've been doing this for thousands of years!" but it's not complicated, much like apartheid South Africa, Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan were not complicated. Colonialis…

The plurality of Israeli Jews are Mizrahi (aka, Jews who never left the Middle East), at 45% of the population [1]. This isn't about Europeans, or even "race": Mizrahi Jews and their Palestinian neighbors are racially indistinguishable. Ashkenazi Jews — that is, Jews who lived in Europe during the Diaspora — make up less than a third of Israeli Jews. [2] Although if you're dead-set on racial essentialism and blood-an…

It's not about race, but it is about the invention of a country that relies on specific demographics to exist (majority Jewish) which necessitate keeping millions of people stateless yet under the full control of an elite ethnicity who actually have the votes and the control.

And no matter where Jewish people are from, they are that privileged ethnicity. The Arabs in Israel get token rights (but you and I both know if they were a demographic threat in Israel those rights would be revoked). And the Arabs in Palestine get no rights in Israel but are fully controlled and blockaded by Israel. That's the ultimate source of the conflict. It's not thousands of years old, and it is partly about race (if you consider Jewish a race, as the nation of Israel does).

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

#622
post #472

How many square kilometers of land does Israel gain this time?

You are aware, I hope, that Israel pulled back from Gaza completely in 2005, and from Sinai in 1980? It’s been growing smaller since 1973 (and never technically annexed any area it did temporarily take in a war)

Is that true though, given that Israel informally takes over more and more of the West Bank? The settlers...

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

#623

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know you are being downvoted (not by me). This is a good question, if all the context and history is removed, and we are only looking at who killed more. I am trying to respond in good faith, but it looks like Hamas is accepted across the world as a terrorist organization for specifically targeting civilians. And as much as I loathe the loss of civilian life at the hands of IDF, this is not a conventional war, and…

> Hamas could've surrendered against a superior enemy and and returned hostages, to protect its own citizens. And then Israel would keep occupying more and more land, control their water, electricity, treat Palestinian people like sub-humans, occasionally shoot some children in the head, take palestinian hostages/prisoners without legal right (occasionally tortue and rape them). What do you do then? Protest peacefull…

> What do you do then? Protest peacefully?

Actually attempting to attack legitimate military targets seems like a bare minimum we should demand of pretty much everyone.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

#624
post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[flagged]

Which countries are in is this non-aligned world? Please be careful when using the word genocide Gaza population: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1422981/gaza-total-popul... Jews in before/after WW2 in Germany: 500k before, 200k after, 100k now. 6M European jews killed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Germany What Palestinians went through in the last 15 months is grotesque and unforgivable, b…

>Please be careful when using the word genocide

I am using the term legally.

Genocide does not require success in exterminating the whole race. The holocaust was not successful, Bosnia wasnt successful, neither was Gaza. Roughly 7-10% of Gaza were killed, mostly women and children, and the intent to kill them because of their race was clear and well evidenced by South Africa.

Please, dont deny genocide -not the holocaust. Not the armenian genocide. Not the bosnian genocide. Not this either. It is disrespectful to every victim.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

#625
post #395

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I graduated from an electrical engineering program at a big ten (U.S.) school in the mid '90s, and I am closing in on retirement. I spent today enrapt in an Oracle upgrade from 10g to 11g. Yes, our IT is COBOL-centric, and we are vastly behind the times. Much of today was spent (re)compiling C. The consensus is that I will have to think hard tomorrow about how to fix these problems. While I was in school, I studied w…

This is a great post. Thank you to share your personal experience. Do you think they were first generation Palestinians? Or multi-generation (parents or earlier immigrated)? I know that Michigan state (Detroit, etc.) has one of the largest Arab communities in the United States.

I went to school with some first generation Palestinians just 5-ish years ago.

One of them had to miss an entire quarter because Israel just wouldn't allow him to leave. He has never been back to Palestine since then because another detainment or missed visa problem, etc. would derail his career.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

#627

Hamas was offered a ceasefire under exactly the same terms in May, and refused it. Since then: * Ismail Haniyeh, the leader of the Hamas political wing, was killed in Tehran * Yahyah Sinwar, the leader of the Al-Qassam Brigades, was killed in Gaza * Hassan Nasrallah, the leader of Lebanese Hezbollah, was killed in Beirut * Hashem Safieddine, Nasrallah's successor, was killed a week later * Large swathes of Hezbollah'…

Someone briefly left a comment here saying this summary was inaccurate, because of news reporting about Hamas having accepted ceasefire terms in May. I understand the confusion. At the end of April (iirc), Israel agreed to a set of terms; Qatar and Egypt then gave Hamas a different set of terms , which Israel hadn't agreed to. Note that stories about Hamas "accepting" a ceasefire date from May 6th . The terms today a…

In retrospect, I guess.

It could be that they were holding out for international support that never came, and are now cutting their losses

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

#628

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are aware, I hope, that Israel pulled back from Gaza completely in 2005, and from Sinai in 1980? It’s been growing smaller since 1973 (and never technically annexed any area it did temporarily take in a war)

I don't think the Palestinians expelled from the West Bank by Israeli settlers agree with that

And settler = occupant

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

#629
post #21

Everything else aside, this is an absolutely fantastic development and I really hope the ceasefire holds and all hostages are released. I just fear this will cause western media and politicians to and declare the crisis to be over (after it had began on Oct. 7, of course absolutely out of the blue and without any context...) and go back to pretending everything is back to normal. Never mind that Gaza is still in ruin…

>And never mind that Israel still has a fundamentalist, authoritarian government that is actively at work undermining democratic structures and civil rights even inside the state

As opposed to the neighboring states (and Hamas), which mostly have religiously tolerant, fully democratic governments that fully respect civil rights, and which of course have never openly stated that they want Israel to disappear from existence, not at all leaving it implicit that its millions of Jewish residents should be ethnically cleansed from the region.. Yes?

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

#630

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The plurality of Israeli Jews are Mizrahi (aka, Jews who never left the Middle East), at 45% of the population [1]. This isn't about Europeans, or even "race": Mizrahi Jews and their Palestinian neighbors are racially indistinguishable. Ashkenazi Jews — that is, Jews who lived in Europe during the Diaspora — make up less than a third of Israeli Jews. [2] Although if you're dead-set on racial essentialism and blood-an…

> Although if you're dead-set on racial essentialism and blood-and-soil nationalism You're reading things OP didn't even write; and addressing a historical assertion with present-day facts. OP posits that European settlers coming in during the Ottoman era (establishing Hebrew-only areas & businesses, only to later demand a Jewish State, in opposition to the local majority [0]) is what kickstarted the current conflict…

That's a high quality comment but nothing at all like the comment it is defending whose main thrust is that the conflict is simple to understand and one side is just wrong.
Post reply on HN