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Nvidia announces next-gen RTX 5090 and RTX 5080 GPUs

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Re: Nvidia announces next-gen RTX 5090 and RTX 5080 GPUs

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Post by NoPicklez »

numpy-thagoras wrote: post #389

Similar CUDA core counts for most SKUs compared to last gen (except in the 5090 vs. 4090 comparison). Similar clock speeds compared to the 40-series. The 5090 just has way more CUDA cores and uses proportionally more power compared to the 4090, when going by CUDA core comparisons and clock speed alone. All of the "massive gains" were comparing DLSS and other optimization strategies to standard hardware rendering. Som…

Jensen did say that in the presentation that compute performance isn't increasing at large enough scales to make enough change. The shift is moving to reliance on using AI to improve performance and there are additions in hardware to accommodate that.

Isn't not being kept a secret, its being openly discussed that they need to leverage AI for better gaming performance.

If you can use AI to go from 40fps to 120fps with near identical quality, then that's still an improvement

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Post by UltraSane »

sempron64 wrote: post #570
UltraSane wrote: post #495

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DLSS 4 can actually generate 3 frames for ever 1 raster frame. When talking about frame rates well above 200 per second a few extra frames isn't that big of a deal unless you are a professional competitive gamer.

If you're buying a ridiculously expensive card for gaming you likely consider yourself a pro gamer. I don't think ai interpolation will be popular in the market

It really depends on how well it works.

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Post by iczero »

piyh wrote: post #474
williamDafoe wrote: post #385

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It looks like the new cards are NO FASTER than the old cards. So they are hyping the fake frames, fake pixels, fake AI rendering. Anything fake = good, anything real = bad. Jensen thinks that "Moore's Law is Dead" and it's just time to rest and vest with regards to GPUs. This is the same attitude that Intel adopted 2013-2024.

Why are you upset how a frame is generated? We're not talking about free range versus factory farming. Here, a frame is a frame and if your eye can't tell the difference then it's as good as any other.

let me just apply my super proprietary machine learning architecture... ah yes it's done, behold, I can generate 3.69 trillion frames per second, because I compressed each frame to a single bit and that's how fast the CPU's memory bus is

Re: Nvidia announces next-gen RTX 5090 and RTX 5080 GPUs

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Post by UltraSane »

Filligree wrote: post #599
Teever wrote: post #587

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What is the draw to 300fps?

VR, probably.

People with 240Hz or higher monitors. 4K is enough for spatial resolution then it is better to increase temporal resolution. 4K at 240Hz or higher looks like a window.

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Post by UltraSane »

Teever wrote: post #587
UltraSane wrote: post #529

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there aren't many 8k monitors. I would rather have 300fps 4k

What is the draw to 300fps?

240Hz or higher monitors. 4K is enough for spatial resolution then it is better to increase temporal resolution. 4K at 240Hz stops looking like looking at a screen and starts looking out a window.

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Post by snvzz »

SirMaster wrote: post #439
snvzz wrote: post #31

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And FSR, which is cross gpu vendor.

Not anymore. FSR4 is AMD only, and only the new RDNA4 GPUs.

I have seen AMD's PR materials for RDNA4, and as far as I can tell, they do not say anywhere anything like that.

People read too much into "designed for RDNA4".

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Post by grogenaut »

6SixTy wrote: post #394
grogenaut wrote: post #338

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The founders edition ones that I had were not great gpus. They were both under cooled and over cooled. They had one squirrel cage style blower that was quite loud and powerful and ran bascially at no speed or full blast. But being that it only had the one airpath and one fan it got overwhelmed by dust or if that blower fan had issues the gpu over heated. The consumer / 3rd party made ones usually have multiple fans a…

Founders cards being worse than board partner models hasn't been true in like 8 years. They switched to dual axial rather than a single blower fan with the 20 series, which made the value of board partner models hard to justify. Since then, Nvidia is locked in a very strange card war with their board partners, because Nvidia has all the juicy inside details on their own chips which they can just not give the same tre…

good to know, I have a 980gtx, I had to rma it after a summer of overheating. good to know they've gotten better on their own cards.

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Post by vineyardlabs »

kllrnohj wrote: post #441
dagmx wrote: post #48

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It’s 3 extrapolated frames not interpolated. So would be reduced lag at the expense of greater pop-in. There’s also the new reflex 2 which uses reprojection based on mouse motion to generate frames that should also help, but likely has the same drawback.

Digital Foundry just covered this. 3x and 4x both add additional latency on top of 2x. https://youtu.be/xpzufsxtZpA?si=hZZlX-g_nueAd7-Q

This is true, but it's worth noting that 3x was 5ms additional latency beyond original FG and 7ms for 4x, so the difference in latency between DLSS 3 FG and DLSS 4 MFG is probably imperceptible for most people.

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Post by satvikpendem »

perching_aix wrote: post #271
dagmx wrote: post #142

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https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/dlss4-multi-frame-...

Could you please point out where on that page does it say anything about "extrapolation"? Searched for the (beginning of the) word directly and even gave all the text a skim, didn't catch anything of the sort.

The literal word doesn't have to be there in order to imply that it were extrapolation instead of interpolation. By your logic, there is no implication of interpolation versus extrapolation either. Nvidia simply won't use such terms, I believe.

Re: Nvidia announces next-gen RTX 5090 and RTX 5080 GPUs

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Post by satvikpendem »

geertj wrote: post #173

Any advice on how to buy the founders edition when it launches, possibly from folks who bought the 4090 FE last time around? I have a feeling there will be a lot of demand.

There is a Discord that sends notifications for stock drops. They are also on X.

https://discord.com/invite/stockdrops

https://x.com/stock_drops?lang=en

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