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Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by ben_w »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #608
conradev wrote: post #600

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It's not that they actively do bad things, it's that they only dedicate real resources in the direction of self-interest. Tim Cook likes to point to their solar investments and accessibility as examples of "doing good" when in reality the former is a good long term financial bet and the latter is generally under-resourced (or "cheap" to them). They'd use M.2 SSDs in their Macs instead of soldering flash chips to the…

You can tell they're full of shit because they can't stop tooting the green horn. It's self evident. If they made their devices repairable, easily resellable, etc. then they wouldn't have to greenwash.

They don't strictly need to greenwash even despite the difficulties with repairing their devices. They talk about green stuff because that's what they want to be, for whatever reason.

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by PeterCorless »

I was really hoping they'd have announced a MacBook Pro based on M4. I had been waiting all year for it.

https://www.macrumors.com/2024/03/11/apple-reportedly-develo...

However, reading Nanoreview it looks like the performance of the M3 Max still actually beats the M4 for graphics and multicore performance.

https://nanoreview.net/en/cpu-compare/apple-m4-vs-apple-m3-m...

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by brailsafe »

zeusk wrote: post #592
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #588

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>I say this as someone who worked several years in engineering at Apple, and they were extremely environmentally conscientious years before it was a thing. Then please tell us why they can't put a HDMI/DP input on the iMac to be usable as an external monitor when the internal computer dies or just to be used as a secondary monitor? Or why the SSD NAND on Macbooks needs to be soldered when a guy on youtube managed to…

Because as a customer you should probably buy a studio display and Mac mini if that's your use case.

There are a ton of older iMacs on the used market, and if you have one, it's a fair complaint that you can no longer re-purpose it for whatever else you like. Ideally if I got a mac mini I'd just hook it up to the screen I already have, rather than spending another $2k on the only other option the brand sells.

Additionally, not having that option lets the manufacturer have control over how much value a product retains after it's useful life. Apple already does this in a number of different ways, and it's disgraceful. iPad too old to get new updates? Recycle, it's not like your backup included the versions that did work for your OS version, can't do much with the hardware. Battery dead? Recycle! Already have a 5k iMac but want Mac Studio for more performance? Well you better like spending a whole lot more for exactly no new value.

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by 1123581321 »

PeterCorless wrote: post #622

I was really hoping they'd have announced a MacBook Pro based on M4. I had been waiting all year for it. https://www.macrumors.com/2024/03/11/apple-reportedly-develo... However, reading Nanoreview it looks like the performance of the M3 Max still actually beats the M4 for graphics and multicore performance. https://nanoreview.net/en/cpu-compare/apple-m4-vs-apple-m3-m...

They are supposedly launching Macs all week, so you will probably get your M4 Pro and Max MBPs. M4 Max vs. M3 Max will be the apples-to-apples comparison to make.

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by nozzlegear »

mihaaly wrote: post #540
mikeatlas wrote: post #534

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they offer free recycling of old hardware https://www.apple.com/shop/open/free_recycling when you buy new hw see also https://www.apple.com/me/recycling/

I hope they also plant one or two small trees somewhere! And promote the use of refillable water botles on campus!!

I mean, yeah. This but unironically.

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by vundercind »

nox101 wrote: post #520
vundercind wrote: post #245

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> You can build PCs there are more powerful than that Mac, cheaper. And you can easily repair them. Nobody’s buying a Mac to game. The gaming is a bonus for a segment of their market, is why they mention it at all. Zero Mac sales are motivated primarily by gaming. “Does this do enough gaming, well enough, that I can avoid buying a Steamdeck, or that I can get rid of this bulky PC that I use only for gaming?” are thin…

Yes except so few games run. Even games I suspect don't need the power. Examples: Cocoon, ufo50, Outer wilds, Harold Halibut, Noita > “Does this do enough gaming, well enough, that I can avoid buying a Steamdeck, or that I can get rid of this bulky PC that I use only for gaming?” I think the answer is "No". I'm writing this from a Mac. In the last year, so many games I've wanted to play while traveling, someone tells…

If you want to play almost any possible game, yeah, you need a PC. (I have one. And a Steam Deck. I kinda half-regret taking up gaming as a hobby any time I touch either of those, but not quite enough to ditch them)

If you’re flexible on what you play, it might be fine for gaming. Like someone with a Switch might be like “eh, sure I’d like to play the new Assassins Creed, but not enough to get a PlayStation—my kids want the Switch, and I don’t want two consoles, so I’ll just find stuff to play on here instead.” I think that’s the market-segment they’re talking to when they write ad or marketing copy about Mac gaming capabilities.

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by throwaway48476 »

romanobro56 wrote: post #616
conradev wrote: post #600

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It's not that they actively do bad things, it's that they only dedicate real resources in the direction of self-interest. Tim Cook likes to point to their solar investments and accessibility as examples of "doing good" when in reality the former is a good long term financial bet and the latter is generally under-resourced (or "cheap" to them). They'd use M.2 SSDs in their Macs instead of soldering flash chips to the…

“They only dedicate real resources in the direction of self interest” Wow, it’s almost like they are a publicly traded company with a legal obligation to do so!

Of course. But it's hypocritical to then pretend like they care about the environment when they manifestly don't.

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by perching_aix »

Their commitment to absolutely god awful designs really makes it exceptionally easy for me to avoid buying any of their products, with iMacs being chief among them.

It's baffling to me people tolerate (or even like!) those massive disgusting chins for example. Sure is a big world out there.

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by burnte »

romanobro56 wrote: post #616
conradev wrote: post #600

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not that they actively do bad things, it's that they only dedicate real resources in the direction of self-interest. Tim Cook likes to point to their solar investments and accessibility as examples of "doing good" when in reality the former is a good long term financial bet and the latter is generally under-resourced (or "cheap" to them). They'd use M.2 SSDs in their Macs instead of soldering flash chips to the…

“They only dedicate real resources in the direction of self interest” Wow, it’s almost like they are a publicly traded company with a legal obligation to do so!

> Wow, it’s almost like they are a publicly traded company with a legal obligation to do so!

This is an amazingly common misconception about fiduciary responsibility to share holders. Nowhere in the law does it state that they must seek profit and shareholder value at all costs, above all other concerns, regardless of the impact. Companies are absolutely allowed to do things that are not 100% aligned with self interest. Many companies routinely do such things like charitable giving, excellent customer service, expensive processes that make the product more recyclable or repairable, etc.

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by jjcm »

vehemenz wrote: post #516
dllu wrote: post #474

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Using a large 8K display for productivity is underrated. I wrote a blog post about my experience: https://daniel.lawrence.lu/blog/y2023m12d15/

You've convinced me, but it really shows the limitations for 16:9 when these are our options. Two largish 28" 4:3 monitors would be a nice middle ground.

Consider the samsung 57" ultrawide. ‎7680x2160 resolution. Lots of usable space, but a better form factor for productivity than a TV.

https://www.amazon.com/SAMSUNG-DisplayPort-Mini-LED-DisplayH...

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