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Re: Internet Archive: Security breach alert

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Post by account42 »

seanvelasco wrote: post #577
aa-jv wrote: post #501

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a lot of embarassing pro-Zionist material archived on IA, but scrubbed elsewhere from the Internet: https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=zionist... So just to play devils advocate, since Zionism is being critically received all across the Internet - it is more likely that IA was attacked in order to censor those materials, and then a sockpuppet was created to shift the blame to pro-palestinia…

i hate how Zionism has become a bad word, like it's some world domination conspiracy theory. as a Zionist myself, it's not at all likely that IA was attacked to take down Zionist-related material as these material are neither embarrassing nor damaging to Israel. on the contrary, I would like for them to stay up and be archived for all eternity. what is more likely is that these pro-Palestinian hacktivists are once mo…

> as these material are neither embarrassing nor damaging to Israel

Yes, but they should be.

Re: Internet Archive: Security breach alert

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Post by rolandog »

everforward wrote: post #606
Aachen wrote: post #190

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You're right, I guess it is tame and achievable so far as organisations go. I was imagining trying to get some friends together to have a decent percentage of the IA backed up, but that seems out of reach based on this napkin math. Not that that is necessarily demotivating, but it's going to depend on a lot of people intuitively seeing the value and keeping up their share

Yeah, as a sort of pet project I don’t think backing up the whole thing is possible. You might be able to back up a significant portion of the unique data in IA if you limited it to text files. I think they probably have the highest information to file size ratio. It’s also probably the most likely to already be back up, though. Interesting issue; you might also get somewhere by cutting the 50TB up into 10GB torrents…

I think a part of the scope of this project may have already been solved by The FreeNet Project (now HyphaNet) [0].

[0]: https://www.hyphanet.org/

Re: Internet Archive: Security breach alert

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Post by anacrolix »

fwip wrote: post #599
pbhjpbhj wrote: post #159

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IIRC there were a few storage based projects that popped up using alt coins to encourage people to offer excess storage space for other randos on there internet. The possibility you might be storing illegal content might have been what killed it/them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooperative_storage_cloud gives a few examples, like Filecoin.

In my opinion, IPFS was killed by a few things: 1) wedding itself to crypto with FileCoin. 2) terrible performance due to architectural choices (basically: too much pointer-chasing, except every pointer was back out to the DHT). 3) No serious attempts to integrate with existing software distribution strategies. I think it's still a good core idea.

Its DHT implementation was shit. Ignoring all existing wisdom, it uses persistent connections, rates peers and has far too many special nodes.

Re: Internet Archive: Security breach alert

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Post by jfengel »

arresin wrote: post #345
jfengel wrote: post #316

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Attacks like that tend to have little to do with bluntness. They occur when you've touched something they consider to be theirs, and you are not entitled to. Usually that's some matter of group identity, where they feel the need to show off for each other just how angry they are at you. It has less to do with what you say or how you say it, but with who you are.

It sounds like it takes a lot of effort by intelligent people. Why would someone go to effort like that unless it was for something they believed was really important (I can't accept that it's just to show off your cronies / jelousy).

In the end, what's more important than your own ego? They love feeling powerful and strong. They love feeling like part of the group.

Re: Internet Archive: Security breach alert

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Post by dunekid »

account42 wrote: post #621
seanvelasco wrote: post #577

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i hate how Zionism has become a bad word, like it's some world domination conspiracy theory. as a Zionist myself, it's not at all likely that IA was attacked to take down Zionist-related material as these material are neither embarrassing nor damaging to Israel. on the contrary, I would like for them to stay up and be archived for all eternity. what is more likely is that these pro-Palestinian hacktivists are once mo…

> as these material are neither embarrassing nor damaging to Israel Yes, but they should be.

I don't think anything will ever be embarrassing to the Genocidal regime. And no damage will be done either, as long as its creators-protectors goes out of their way to protect it.

Re: Internet Archive: Security breach alert

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Post by TobTobXX »

dyingkneepad wrote: post #570
mkl wrote: post #385

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Yes, without exception. I want to know who is leaking/selling my address, and usually stop doing business with those who do. It also makes filtering really easy. People sometimes have strange reactions when I verbally give them an email address with their company name in it, especially when I'm a new customer. All you need is a domain and an email provider that allows catch-all addresses, both of which are easy and c…

I always see people claiming they use this strategy, but I never ever ever see people blaming services saying "this and this company sold my data to spammers". Where are the name-and-shame people? Have you ever caught anybody doing anything?

Yes, I was one time suddebly getting whine ads on an E-Mail for a service I signed up. I contacted the service (rather unfriendly) and they apologized and the unwanted E-Mails stopped.

Re: Internet Archive: Security breach alert

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Post by dunekid »

seanvelasco wrote: post #577
aa-jv wrote: post #501

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a lot of embarassing pro-Zionist material archived on IA, but scrubbed elsewhere from the Internet: https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=zionist... So just to play devils advocate, since Zionism is being critically received all across the Internet - it is more likely that IA was attacked in order to censor those materials, and then a sockpuppet was created to shift the blame to pro-palestinia…

i hate how Zionism has become a bad word, like it's some world domination conspiracy theory. as a Zionist myself, it's not at all likely that IA was attacked to take down Zionist-related material as these material are neither embarrassing nor damaging to Israel. on the contrary, I would like for them to stay up and be archived for all eternity. what is more likely is that these pro-Palestinian hacktivists are once mo…

>i hate how Zionism has become a bad word

What do you consider worse? The Genocide of the people of Gaza and the occupation? Or that the Zionism is now a bad word?

Re: Internet Archive: Security breach alert

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Post by btown »

dang wrote: post #600
Aachen wrote: post #596

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That's just about article quality though. Is there a policy about linking to known compromised sites? Should one flag the submission for moderator attention?

We don't have policies really, but the way to get moderator attention is hn@ycombinator.com.

As a first step, it might be a good idea to add an indication to https://news.ycombinator.com/submit or https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html to not submit links to sites that are known to be hacked/compromised, and to use a text post instead if making a public service announcement!

Even if we assume folks are using up-to-date browsers (and many aren't!), a compromised site could deliver payloads to browsers ranging from zero-days to phishing content to browser extension compromises (esp. for crypto wallets etc.), that might be delivered differently to different viewers. We don't want to amplify the spread of an attack, especially to our community!

Re: Internet Archive: Security breach alert

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Post by dang »

btown wrote: post #628
dang wrote: post #600

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We don't have policies really, but the way to get moderator attention is hn@ycombinator.com.

As a first step, it might be a good idea to add an indication to https://news.ycombinator.com/submit or https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html to not submit links to sites that are known to be hacked/compromised, and to use a text post instead if making a public service announcement! Even if we assume folks are using up-to-date browsers (and many aren't!), a compromised site could deliver payloads to browse…

There are too many things to add if we start adding things like that. Each one is important in its own context, of course—like here—but once you start making lists of important things, you end up in a whole-is-less-than-the-sum-of-its-parts situation. I don't think such lists are likely to be effective in the long run.

That's also why the site guidelines (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html) are nowhere near as long as they would be if we tried to include all the important things. Better a shorter list that people can actually read.

I hope that doesn't come across as dismissive—I do see your point!

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