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Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by KronisLV »

joshstrange wrote: post #216

The issue I continue to have with many AI coding tools is they want me to use their own editor ("native", aka VSCode fork, or in the browser like this). I have zero intention of moving away from IDEA and nothing I've seen so far is good enough to make me want to switch. I really with there was more of "bringing AI into your existing tools/workflows" instead of "here is a new tool with AI baked in".

> I have zero intention of moving away from IDEA and nothing I've seen so far is good enough to make me want to switch. I really with there was more of "bringing AI into your existing tools/workflows" instead of "here is a new tool with AI baked in".

For this, either GitHub Copilot or their own AI plugin seem to work nicely.

It's kind of unfortunate because creating new plugins for the JetBrains IDEs has a learning curve: https://plugins.jetbrains.com/docs/intellij/developing-plugi...

Because of this, and the fact that every additional IDE/tool you have to support also means similar development work, most companies out there will probably lean in the direction of either a web based UI, a CLI, or their own spin of VS Code or something similar.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by mark_l_watson »

riffraff wrote: post #103
cj wrote: post #4

This is cool, but I wish it were integrated into tools already used for coding and writing rather than having it be a separate app. This also demonstrates the type of things Google could do with Gemini integrated into Google Docs if they step up their game a bit. Honestly I’m scratching my head on OpenAI’s desire to double down on building out their consumer B2C use cases rather than truly focussing on being the infr…

google has gemini integrated in Google Colab (jupyter notebooks) and while it doesn't work 100% well, it's a pretty great idea.

I only use Gemini in Colab perhaps 5% of the times I use Colab, yet it is nice to have.

I use Gemini, OpenAI, Claude, smaller models in Grok, and run small models locally using Ollama. I am getting to the point where I am thinking I would be better off choosing one (or two.)

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by infecto »

Amazing implementation. I wish Jetbrains had implemented something like this within their IDEs instead of doing whatever they did. Tried their AI solution out again and for whatever reason its just slow and not good. The line complete is no where at the same level as GH Copilot.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by mooktakim »

NeoTar wrote: post #576
mooktakim wrote: post #564

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really. Only thing you can guarantee is things change.

Let’s just throw away all past experience then? It’s a mistake to assume that there will be 100% correlation between the past and future, but it’s probably as bad of a mistake to assume 0% correlation. (Obviously dependant on exactly what you are looking at).

So the choices are 100% or 0%?

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by mooktakim »

vbezhenar wrote: post #591
mooktakim wrote: post #567

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Everything ends. Even things you used for a long time.

Almost every program I've used 20 years ago still available today. I think that I switched from Eclipse to Idea like 15 years ago, but Eclipse is still rocking. IT really frozen in 1990s. OS didn't change at all, they just switch fancy colors and border radius every few years. Software is the same, they just add more annoying bugs and useless features, but nothing really changes. I'm still using the same unix shell a…

Stone tablets and chisel technically still available also.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by mooktakim »

shafyy wrote: post #578
mooktakim wrote: post #534

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This is not an issue. Technology moves forward. You don't adapt, you fall behind. There were other editors and IDE's before the one you use. New devs will use it. Anyway, I don't use them either. I prefer to use ChatGPT and Claude directly.

This is exactly what OpenAI and other want you to believe. "OH NO, I need to use LLMs for coding otherwise I will fall behind". No, no. Most of what makes a good software engineer cannot be replaced by LLMs. A good software engineer has a deep understanding of the problem space, works on the right things, and elevates their team members by coaching, helping etc. It's not about how fast you type your code.

There's still time to find out if what you say is true

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by mooktakim »

hackable_sand wrote: post #577
mooktakim wrote: post #534

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not an issue. Technology moves forward. You don't adapt, you fall behind. There were other editors and IDE's before the one you use. New devs will use it. Anyway, I don't use them either. I prefer to use ChatGPT and Claude directly.

Falling behind what?

If I knew answer to that question I wouldn't be falling behind

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by mooktakim »

dartos wrote: post #579
mooktakim wrote: post #534

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not an issue. Technology moves forward. You don't adapt, you fall behind. There were other editors and IDE's before the one you use. New devs will use it. Anyway, I don't use them either. I prefer to use ChatGPT and Claude directly.

I refuse to believe there were ever editors before vim. Vim has been around since the Stone Age. Jokes aside, I don’t really see why ai tools need new editors vs plugins EXCEPT that they don’t want to have to compete with Microsoft’s first party AI offerings in vscode. It’s just a strategy for lock-in. An exception may be like zed, which provides a lot of features besides AI integration which require a new editor.

They probably said the same thing when someone created vim, or vi.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by rsp1984 »

Novosell wrote: post #608
rsp1984 wrote: post #594

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Look, I'm just not interested in something that gives me code on the CLI. This is no better or worse than using ChatGPT / Canvas or any other external tool. My project has well over half a million lines of code. I'm using an IDE (in my case Qt Creator) for a reason. I'd love to get help from an LLM but CLI or external browser windows just aren't the way. The overhead of copy/paste and lack of context is a deal breake…

I'd never heard of Qt creator before so I checked it out and their whole front page seems to focus on ai integration?

Cool, this must be fairly recent. I didn't realize they had integrated it. Will check it out, thanks!

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by rty32 »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #174
cj wrote: post #4

This is cool, but I wish it were integrated into tools already used for coding and writing rather than having it be a separate app. This also demonstrates the type of things Google could do with Gemini integrated into Google Docs if they step up their game a bit. Honestly I’m scratching my head on OpenAI’s desire to double down on building out their consumer B2C use cases rather than truly focussing on being the infr…

> demonstrates the type of things Google could do with Gemini integrated into Google Docs Or Microsoft! > think OpenAI will end up being either an infrastructure provider OR a SaaS, but not both Microsoft cut off OpenAI's ability to execute on the former by making Azure their exclusive cloud partner. Being an infrastructure provider with zero metal is doable, but it leaves obvious room for a competitor to optimise.

Eh, GitHub CoPilot? Microsoft is literally THE company that understands developers' workflows and creates good IDEs.
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