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10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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> It's a relevant question. You are blaming it on the particular group of migrants involved in the case of Europe right now. But historically Europe has ghettoized other groups. My understanding is that pre-WW2 Europe you had community groups that dealt with their people. So in a Jewish neighborhood, you had powerful Rabbis or other religious leaders that dole out law. These unofficial community leaders were given a…

I agree with your negative version of the point: >> if you don't accept a countries values, you should not be allowed to move there But in the positive version, I think in America it is much easier to integrate if you do accept American values than it is in some European countries. And this is because, as you alluded, the only thing that makes America a unified country is a social agreement to certain shared values l…

I think it’s true that people in Europe feel that welfare is part of the problem here. In the Netherlands for example, one of the main right wing talking point is that refugees are given free social housing which could have gone to locals that are often on waiting lists for years.

In America on the other hand, land was forcibly taken from the natives by colonists centuries ago. Now, if you’re looking to move to the US, you can expect to work in poverty for a few generations as a second class citizen because that’s just how the “completely fair” capitalist system is set up. Forgetting for a moment that most capital is held by a single ethnicity, and they’re definitely not going to give it away for free.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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> I'm not concerned about the crime You may not be concerned about the crime, but many voters are. The author of the article you linked to also exhorts the Somali immigrant community to not engage in crime. > because that seems like a somewhat higher tendency until the 2nd and 3rd generation is able to make it into established society. History and data from various European nations suggest that some immigrant groups…

If voters are concerned about crime, then the need to educated that immigrants, even illegal immigrants, have crime rates about the same as Americans at large.

Because legal immigrants are both pre-filtered and have something to lose, it’s more reasonable to take the approach that one crime is too many with immigration, rather than comparing with the crime rate of society at large.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Everywhere in Europe that welcomed Jews, their neighbors attacked them whenever the Plague came around, blaming them for poisoning wells. To be blunt, if that hadn't happened, the Jews would have probably disappeared into the general European population by the 15th Century. So you are supporting the point that village rumors led to a situation of permanent exclusion for Gypsies.

Jews were money lenders, which inherently instills a level of hatred.

Jews were merchants engaging in transactional relationships with farmers, which in an agragian society instills a level of hatred due to being fundamentally opposite to the reciprocal relations that farming neighbours participate in.

https://acoup.blog/2020/08/21/collections-bread-how-did-they...

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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> the Republican anti-immigrant platform because it seems to me there is significant brain drain from many countries to the U.S. and that contributes to our success. Explain how unskilled illegal immigrants contribute to our success. I'm open minded but I've yet to hear anything convincing. No one is opposed to the legal immigration of skilled workers.

There’s a very sizable number of low paying, dirty, dangerous, and/or boring jobs that we can’t find enough locals to do. Think farm hands, home care aides, meat processors, etc. Unskilled immigrants do those jobs because that’s what is available to them (I.e unskilled). If they weren’t doing those jobs, we’d have to pay significantly more for the goods and services that labor depends on. Immigrant labor is disinflat…

I think it would be better to legitimize migrant labour for those types of jobs a la Singapore

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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> Economists say every immigrant is a net economic positive to the nation This isn’t true in general and depends on the local economy and the immigrants country of origin. MENA migrants are a net loss for Germany, for example. Even if economists agree, the money these immigrants spend lands in the pockets of rich capitalists. The entire topic is far more nuanced than you make it out to be.

Do you have some sources for your claim that MENA migrants are a net loss for Germany?

Yes. Here[1]

[1]: https://www.handelsblatt.com/politik/deutschland/demografie-...

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Modern civilization has entitlements, if we get rid of entitlements, sure we can have open borders. We just can’t do both or the system collapses.

Why are some societies worse off than others, to the point where someone would need to move countries take their entitlements? Might it have something to do with what the entitled countries did to the ones that are worse off?

That doesn’t force upon the US any responsibility at all to deal with it

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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The people who really care are Cuban exiles around Miami. When Florida was a swing state, that was enough to make every presidential candidate be pro embargo. Now that Florida is a red state, it might be different.

The Cuban population of Miami is heavily republican and pro-embargo. This is why Obama got rid of it and Trump reinstated it.

What I can't understand is WHY are the people who escaped for a better life, pro embargo... What, 70 years later? Seems like it's only being highly effective at hurting the general population

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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I support immigration too, as long as it's people we vet. Smart people want to live here, and will jump through hoops to do so. We should make the hoops easier for them, and actually deport people who spit in their faces by waltzing over the border and staying. It's not fair to the hard-working honest people who played by the rules. Also, you should be concerned about the crime. Have you seen what the cartel does in…

> Have you seen what the cartel does in Mexico? The ones the DEA has partnered with[0], arms[1], and enables through backward drug policy[2]? 0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinaloa_Cartel#Alleged_collusi... 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal 2: https://insightcrime.org/news/analysis/how-100-years-failed-...

Well prescreening immigrants lets us avoid dealing with the consequences of our actions, so why not

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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I find it odd when people cast "the left" as some kind of homogeneous singular mass. It seems divorced from reality.

My statement doesn't assume a homogenous singular mass.

There are opinions that come from different groups on the political spectrum, that pop up again and again and can be regarded as "common beliefs".

My comment is based on that.

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