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Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by methodical »

highwaylights wrote: post #603
ethbr1 wrote: post #334

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> I always saw this level of personal intelligence to come about at some point, but I didn’t expect Apple to hit it out of the park so strongly. Benefit of drawing people into their ecosystem. It's the benefit of how Apple does product ownership. In contrast to Google and Microsoft. I hadn't considered it, but AI convergence is going to lay bare organizational deficiencies in a way previous revolutions didn't. Nobody…

Ironically, I feel like Apple might have lost me as a customer today. It won't matter to Apple, obviously, but so much of what they showed today I just felt was actively pushing me out of the ecosystem. I first bought some devices for myself, then those devices got handed off to family when I upgraded, and now we're at a point where we still use all of the devices we bought to date - but the arbitrary obsolescence ha…

While I mostly agree with your point of Apple being rather aggressive with forced upgrading, I don't think the device requirements for these features were based solely on the desire to push out people with older devices, but rather due to the hardware requirements for a lot of the ML/AI features being based on the Apple Silicon, at least for the Mac side of things. As to why they drew the line at the iPhone 15, perhaps it's a similar reason regarding performance requirements. While obviously, I'm not intimately knowledgeable of their basis for the device requirements, I'd wait a few more years to see how the device requirements for these new features cascade. If they continue requiring newer and newer devices, only supporting the trailing generation or so, then I'd agree wholeheartedly with your sentiment.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by theshrike79 »

philjohn wrote: post #440
Terretta wrote: post #416

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> Doing everything on-device would result in a horrible user experience. They might as well not participate in this generative AI rush at all if they hoped to keep it on-device. On the contrary, I'm shocked over the last few months how "on device" on a Macbook Pro or Mac Studio competes plausibly with last year's early GPT-4, leveraging Llama 3 70b or Qwen2 72b. There are surprisingly few things you "need" 128GB of s…

Yes - but people don't want to pay $4k for a phone with 128GB of unified memory, do they? And whilst the LLM's running locally are cool, they're still pretty damn slow compared to Chat-GPT, or Meta's LLM.

Depending on what you want to do though.

If I want some help coding or ideas about playlists, Gemini and ChatGPT are fine.

But when I'm writing a novel about an assassin with an AI assistant and the public model keeps admonishing me that killing people is bad and he should seek help for his tendencies, it's a LOT faster to just use an uncensored local LLM.

Or when I want to create some people faces for my RPG campaign and the online generator keeps telling me my 200+ word prompt is VERBOTEN. And finally I figure out that "nude lipstick" is somehow bad.

Again, it's faster to feed all this to a local model and just get it done overnight than fight against puritanised AIs.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by themacguffinman »

preezer wrote: post #573
markus_zhang wrote: post #549

TBH, I think the IT industry is too concentrated at eating itself. We are happily automating our jobs away and such while the other industries basically just sleep through. I don't want generative AI in my phone. I want someone, or something to book a meeting with my family doctor, the head of my son's future primary school, etc. I don't need AI to do that. I need the other industries (medical/government/education) t…

Ohhhh yes. That's why I was so hyped about Google Duplex or duo?! Never heard of it again....

It's available today, it's just not a product called "Duplex". Android has call screening and "hold my call" and phone menu tree detection. On select Google Maps listings, you can make reservations by clicking a button which will make a phone call in the background to make a reservation.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by nomel »

markus_zhang wrote: post #571
skilled wrote: post #564

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I wonder if Apple ever approached Google about using Gemini as the flagship integration. I say that because during the keynote I kept thinking to myself, this could be the moment that Google realises it needs to stick to what it knows best - Search - and all they have to do is sit back and watch the hype fade away. But that’s in a perfect world. Even to this day, post ChatGPT, I still can’t imagine how I would ever u…

TBF I was too harsh in my original comment. I did use ChatGPT to automate away the chore part of the coding (boiler plate for example). But I have a gut feeling that in maybe 5-10 years this is going to replace some junior programmer's job. My job can be largely "AIed" away if such AI gets better and the company feeds internal code to it.

> My job can be largely "AIed" away if such AI gets better and the company feeds internal code to it.

The first company to offer their models for offline use, preferably delivered in shipping container you plug in, with the ability to "fine tune" (or whatever tech) with all their internal stuffs, wins the money of everyone that has security/confidentiality requirements.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by doawoo »

doutatsu wrote: post #544
doawoo wrote: post #444

Happy as long as there is a switch to toggle it all off somewhere. I find very little of this useful. Maybe someone does, and that’s great! And my concern isn’t from a privacy perspective, just a “I want less things cluttering my screen” perspective. So far though it looks like it’s decent at being opt-in in nature. So that’s all good.

I feel like this is actually the thing you want when you say "less things cluttering my screen". Siri can now be that assistant, that summarises or does things, that would instead make you go through various screens or apps. Feels like it rescues clutter, not increases it to me imo

I simply cannot agree, but again, it's a personal thing. I never ever find voice interfaces useful though...

Aside: When the presenter showed the demo of her asking Siri to figure out the airport arrival time and then gloat it "would have taken minutes" to do on her own... I sat there and just felt so so strongly that I don't want to optimize out every possible opportunity to think or work out a problem in my life for the sake of "keeping on top of my inbox".

I understand value of the tools. But I think overall nothing about them feels very worth showing even more menus for me to tick through to make the magic statistical model spit out the tone of words I want... when I could have just sat there and thought about my words and the actual, real, human person I'm talking to, and rephrase my email by hand.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by worldsayshi »

markus_zhang wrote: post #571
skilled wrote: post #564

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I wonder if Apple ever approached Google about using Gemini as the flagship integration. I say that because during the keynote I kept thinking to myself, this could be the moment that Google realises it needs to stick to what it knows best - Search - and all they have to do is sit back and watch the hype fade away. But that’s in a perfect world. Even to this day, post ChatGPT, I still can’t imagine how I would ever u…

TBF I was too harsh in my original comment. I did use ChatGPT to automate away the chore part of the coding (boiler plate for example). But I have a gut feeling that in maybe 5-10 years this is going to replace some junior programmer's job. My job can be largely "AIed" away if such AI gets better and the company feeds internal code to it.

If it can automate a junior away it seems as likely it will just make that junior more capable.

Somebody still needs to make those decisions that it can't make well. And some of those decisions doesn't require seniority.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by theshrike79 »

hu3 wrote: post #407
buildbuildbuild wrote: post #370

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I hear you but caution against such oversimplification. Advanced Data Protection for iCloud is a thing. Our culture of cloud reliance is truly dangerous, but some vendors are at least trying to E2E data where possible. There are big risks to having a cloud digital footprint, yet clouds can be used “somewhat securely” with encryption depending on your personal threat model. Also, it’s not fair to compare clouds to wir…

iCloud end-to-end encryption is disabled by default. So by default, user data is not protected. https://support.apple.com/en-us/102651

Yes, because the UX is better that way.

With ADP if your mom loses her encryption keys, it's all gone. Forever. Permanently.

And of course it's Apple's fault somehow. That's why it's not the default.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by its_ethan »

theshrike79 wrote: post #589
KaiserPro wrote: post #463

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> Apple has a good track record with privacy and keeping things on device. I mean they have great PR, but in terms of privacy, they extract more information from you than google does.

Do you have a source for this? Google is an ad company, they have a full model of what you like and dont like at different states of your life built. What does Apple have that's even close?

I think what he's getting at is that Apple does collect a lot of very similar data about it's users. Apple Maps still collects data about where you've driven - the difference is that they don't turn around and sell that data like Google loves to do.

I believe (but could be wrong) they also treat that data in a way that prevents it from being accessed by anyone besides the user (see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple%E2%80%93FBI_encryption_d...

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