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Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by anssip »

haroldp wrote: post #600
anssip wrote: post #560

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use the Passlane CLI for accessing and managing my passwords. Passlane stores the data in a keepass file that I have in Dropbox so that I can access it from multiple devices. On my phone I access it with Keepassium. Check Passlane here (I’m the author of it): https://github.com/anssip/passlane

Very cool! Would it make sense to use this for storing keys used other shell scripts? Does it support hardware keys?

About using it for storing keys of other shell scripts/commands: What kind of special functionality this would require? Would you like to, for example, use passlane to extract the password of some script and then pipe it to that script? Perhaps adding that kind of functionality would make sense.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by hot_gril »

ein0p wrote: post #12

This needs to be multiplatform for it to be a viable option for the more tech inclined. I run all three major desktop operating systems plus iOS, so I use Bitwarden

I've found it easier to use Keychain as my "master database" and selectively copy passwords as needed into whatever browsers on non-Apple devices, granted it's not super often. Also, often I can directly use my phone to authenticate another device (passkeys, TOTP, or custom solutions).

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by joshuaturner »

afavour wrote: post #579

Normally I’m conflicted when a big tech company comes to stomp on a market of smaller app makers but the password manager industry has left me with little sympathy. Years ago I bought 1Password via a one off payment and set it up to sync via my iCloud Drive. It all worked great. Then they took VC investment and quickly every new feature was locked behind a subscription gate. I switched to Bitwarden. Then they took VC…

I don't mind paying for quality software, which I considered 1Password v7 to be. However, their recent v8 launch has soured me on the company pretty severely. The macOS app is a pretty dramatic downstep and their focus on a browser extension over a system/menubar app is frustrating to say the least.

I don't know if Apple Passwords will be a perfect fit for me, I'm hoping someone shares a deep dive on the product soon because I'm not in a position to use the beta, but I'm happy to see some more competition in the space.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by hot_gril »

nullindividual wrote: post #19
ein0p wrote: post #12

This needs to be multiplatform for it to be a viable option for the more tech inclined. I run all three major desktop operating systems plus iOS, so I use Bitwarden

It is available across the two major desktop operating systems, but you'd have to read the article to find that out. > The Passwords app is free to download, available across iOS 18, iPadOS 18, and MacOS 15, and will also work with the Vision Pro and Windows computers, says Apple.

I actually read the article and didn't see this at first. It's mentioned at the very bottom, right above the "featured stuff" and unrelated article below it, and after a lot of text about what Passwords does that Keychain already did.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by zer0zzz »

lenkite wrote: post #608
afavour wrote: post #579

Normally I’m conflicted when a big tech company comes to stomp on a market of smaller app makers but the password manager industry has left me with little sympathy. Years ago I bought 1Password via a one off payment and set it up to sync via my iCloud Drive. It all worked great. Then they took VC investment and quickly every new feature was locked behind a subscription gate. I switched to Bitwarden. Then they took VC…

Well, good to know that U.S. feds now just need to send a single ping to get all the world's passwords on Apple devices.

Nothing has changed. This app is just a skin over the existing backend.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by m4lvin »

hwc wrote: post #561

I've been using Bitwarden for a few years. It seems to do everything I need, and is cross-platform. I have a soft spot in my heart for `pass` ( http://www.passwordstore.org/ ), but it's a pain to access it from my phone.

pass is the best.

If your phone is android, I'd recommend https://passwordstore.app/ plus syncthing :-)

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by katbyte »

pshc wrote: post #610
kgilpin wrote: post #596

I have already been using iPhone Passwords for all my passwords. Anyone else doing this? It autofills passwords on the phone and I can copy a password from the phone Passwords and paste it on my MacBook. Whenever I do a password change, I have to do it on my phone, so that the new one will be stored. But that is fine with me. I’m happy to do that in exchange for being freed from “password managers”.

Yup, it's been super convenient to have iCloud sync all the keychain entries including wifi passwords, and quite secure and private. I also enable keychain sync on my Mac so I can create passwords there too.

It’s what I do but auto fill doesn’t work in chrome on osx :(

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by gffrd »

vohk wrote: post #616
afavour wrote: post #579

Normally I’m conflicted when a big tech company comes to stomp on a market of smaller app makers but the password manager industry has left me with little sympathy. Years ago I bought 1Password via a one off payment and set it up to sync via my iCloud Drive. It all worked great. Then they took VC investment and quickly every new feature was locked behind a subscription gate. I switched to Bitwarden. Then they took VC…

I don't have a problem with the subscriptions. I've tried out a number of options over the years, including KeePass, LastPass, 1Password, and most recently Bitwarden. KeePass was a great bit of software but managing the vault syncing myself and having to wait for (and trust) the third-party Firefox extension to update was tiresome. For about a buck a month, LP was a pretty good deal and handled all of that overhead f…

I'm with you: I'm happy to pay a recurring fee for a good service, usability, and dependability.

I've been a 1password customer for as long as I can recall, and it feels weird dumping my subscription to save a few bucks when it's been such a great service at a fair price the whole time. Why I'd keep it around if the OS solves the same problems, I don't know … just saying it feels weird.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by Dylan16807 »

vohk wrote: post #616
afavour wrote: post #579

Normally I’m conflicted when a big tech company comes to stomp on a market of smaller app makers but the password manager industry has left me with little sympathy. Years ago I bought 1Password via a one off payment and set it up to sync via my iCloud Drive. It all worked great. Then they took VC investment and quickly every new feature was locked behind a subscription gate. I switched to Bitwarden. Then they took VC…

I don't have a problem with the subscriptions. I've tried out a number of options over the years, including KeePass, LastPass, 1Password, and most recently Bitwarden. KeePass was a great bit of software but managing the vault syncing myself and having to wait for (and trust) the third-party Firefox extension to update was tiresome. For about a buck a month, LP was a pretty good deal and handled all of that overhead f…

Development costs money and that's fine, but I don't like it when companies act like their pricing is based on the cost of providing a service, and the service is "syncs a single sub-megabyte file between a few devices". You can get that service a thousandfold for free. (And even if they give you more space, that's a worthless addon to almost all customers.)

In particular, the reason it's annoying to sync keepass is because of how the program is designed. There are other managers in that ecosystem that let you log in to google/microsoft/dropbox/anything and then you're done. It all syncs perfectly from then on. It's a development problem, not a need for a dedicated service tied to a specific password manager.

And when I'm considering development cost I'm going to look at things on a 5 or 10 year timeline. I think that's a reasonable length to expect a software purchase to last. On that timescale, Bitwarden is okay but 1Password is not at all a good price.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by the_snooze »

vohk wrote: post #616
afavour wrote: post #579

Normally I’m conflicted when a big tech company comes to stomp on a market of smaller app makers but the password manager industry has left me with little sympathy. Years ago I bought 1Password via a one off payment and set it up to sync via my iCloud Drive. It all worked great. Then they took VC investment and quickly every new feature was locked behind a subscription gate. I switched to Bitwarden. Then they took VC…

I don't have a problem with the subscriptions. I've tried out a number of options over the years, including KeePass, LastPass, 1Password, and most recently Bitwarden. KeePass was a great bit of software but managing the vault syncing myself and having to wait for (and trust) the third-party Firefox extension to update was tiresome. For about a buck a month, LP was a pretty good deal and handled all of that overhead f…

Exactly, secrets management is a really critical need that 1Password meets for me, and I'd much rather they charge me an honest price than sell out to advertisers. These things require upkeep (not just defending against everyone trying to break in, but also keeping current on the latest technologies like passkeys), so I find the yearly price of admission is totally reasonable for 1Password's quality and importance.
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