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they don't seem to realise that they can't win against a sovereign power that is actively legislating against them
The legislators for that sovereign power have to win elections though, so it's a political game. If Apple can win/influence politics enough, they can win against the sovereign power.
Epic says Apple will reinstate developer account
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Re: Epic says Apple will reinstate developer account
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> The EU told Apple that breaking the law would have dire consequences. That's the only reason Apple backed down. You have no idea that this is what happened. You're the one spreading propaganda. Why propagandize it at all? EPIC hates Apple and wants to see the App store dead. Apple reasonably didn't trust EPIC not to play games with the DMA. The EU asked EPIC to give an assurance that they would play by the rules an…
> EPIC is forced to accept that Apple is complying with the DMA. No they don't. They are absolutely still able to start a lawsuit, as is the EU. We likely won't have to wait more than a couple weeks to see the lawsuits filed.
Re: Epic says Apple will reinstate developer account
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Pretty much, plus to independent developers who wish to use the IPA installation off the web feature. (The Article speaks about "features", not just APIs) Remember that it says "free of charge". 50 cents/install past 1M installs is not free of charge now is it?
I can't understand the cost basis for that fee that apple is imposing. If I install an thrid party app from a third party store to my phone, it wouldn't cost apple anything. Even the bandwidth cost to download is from the third party store. In this transaction, actually Apple will be the unrelated "third party"that has nothing to do with that transaction. So isn't this fee just an extortion attempt?
> So isn't this fee just an extortion attempt?
That's up to the courts to decide, but Apple certainly hasn't painted themselves a favorable picture. When Dutch regulators tried pressing them to include alternative payment services, Apple continued demanding 27% of those transactions. Their disrespectful and obstinate behavior in the Netherlands is what made the DMA such an urgent act in the first place.
So all this will be well-worth keeping an eye on. The iPhone already turns record-breaking profits off hardware sales alone, it will be difficult for Apple to argue they're inherently deserving of taxing aftermarket transactions. At this point, "0%" is starting to seem like the only logical software fee for iOS.
Re: Epic says Apple will reinstate developer account
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> Microsoft simply lacked the network effects MS beat Apple to market by a considerable margin. Windows Mobile substantially predates the iPhone, and it was actually usable. (I had one of their flagship devices.) But MS’s OS concept was incoherent, their UI was laggy, their web browser was unbearably slow despite arguably superior hardware, their form factor was not snazzy. And, unlike Apple, they utterly failed at m…
blackberry didn't seem to care about regular consumers until it was to late, instead relying on corporate customers and relying on integration with enterprise messaging software. windows was well windows 8 and everyone hated it and everything about it. (and pre-windows phone 8 it was to fragmented with to many incompatible versions and little 3rd party support) Palm/HP WebOS was the real mobile OS with the best chanc…
That was the attitude for a minute until the CEO got a cool iPhone.
Same with Macs. And jeans.
Re: Epic says Apple will reinstate developer account
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It is incredibly naive to suggest that someone with that power "sending a letter asking questions" would be remotely similar to you or I doing the same. The EU has an long tradition of "conversations" and "questions" with an unstated "give the right answer and you can avoid an unpleasant official action". You're right there is no official casework. That is also entirely irrelevant to the issue of whether or not Apple…
> "give the right answer and you can avoid an unpleasant official action" You are thinking of the mob. Thankfully here in the US official actions are generally done in view of the public.
Re: Epic says Apple will reinstate developer account
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Correct me if I’m wrong but PWAs were only ever “broken” in beta versions of iOS, never in a release.
So? They removed them without any announcement for two weeks (hoping no one would notice), then officially announced it on their website when the backlash was growing. They then backed down after Open Web Advocacy ran surveys, an open letter and the EU started a investigation.
Re: Epic says Apple will reinstate developer account
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I think there’s more to it than this, and it’s subtle: The iPhone was cool . Seriously, the original iPhone had little going for it technically. No GPS, poor data bandwidth, no apps, and minimal ability to make phone calls. (It took the combined efforts of Apple and AT&T a couple generations before you could reliably place a call.) But it had a touch screen that felt nice, and you could watch videos and play music! T…
> But it had a touch screen that felt nice, and you could watch videos and play music! The web browser actually performed well despite the low bandwidth. Basically an observation that consumers were interested in digital media players, which Apple had some expertise in building (iPods, for younger folks). And that a usable browser was a killer feature (most of the web not having reactive mobile sites, and no apps, th…
And not coincidentally this is exactly how Jobs pitched the original iPhone unveil.
An iPod, a phone, an internet communicator, an iPod, a phone…
Re: Epic says Apple will reinstate developer account
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> What's actually missing that's stopping this from working? Proper support on all platforms. No point working on PWAs that have janky tooling (reason: see previous sentence) when they're only going to work decently on Android devices anyway.
So why would you build a native Android app if PWAs work better? There’s way more web developers than Android developers, and you would avoid the Play Store fees. Sound cheaper to me. What part of iOS is invalidating the value proposition for Android here? You also didn’t answer what is missing. What is missing? What’s this insurmountable problem that’s solved everywhere else? Why is janky tooling attributable to App…
Re: Epic says Apple will reinstate developer account
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Democracy without what you term 'subordinate-dictatorship' would just be anarchy. Democracy is the _collective_ will of the people, it necessarily includes compulsion to do things one doesn't precisely align with which you seem to consider as "dictatorship". But, when the demos compells you to obey orders, that's still democracy.
There is a hierarchy and a single person at the peak of it who has ultimate executive power (a Chief Executive Officer, if you will) then it'll perform roughly the same as as authoritarian system except in some highly unusual circumstances. A military coup by the army would play out differently for example, but day-to-day operation would be largely the same. And most of the performance differences between democracies…
There can be, but it's not necessary in a democracy and you can design a democracy in which any action is subordinate to the demos should they choose to operate against it.
Re: Epic says Apple will reinstate developer account
#630Apple's statement: “Following conversations with Epic, they have committed to follow the rules, including our DMA policies. As a result, Epic Sweden AB has been permitted to re-sign the developer agreement and accepted into the Apple Developer Program.” If you think the EU got their shit together in 2 days, you're day dreaming. Phil Schiller invited Epic to make assurances that they'd follow the terms of the agreemen…
There is zero evidence of Epic doing anything on their part after that. There is, however, evidence of the EU Commission warning (if you can't parse "Under the DMA, there is no room for threats by gatekeepers to silence developers" as a warning, you may need to improve your functional reading skills) Apple and inquiring for explanation.
Tim Sweeney isn't chest beating. He is attributing this development to the EU. Chest beating would mean attributing this development to their own actions, which he is not claiming at all.