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Re: In 2024, please switch to Firefox

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Post by Capricorn2481 »

mvdtnz wrote: post #575
pivo wrote: post #555

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok, but obviously in this case you can check the "Don't show me this message again" checkbox and, like me, you'll have had to endure the burden of responding to this nag just once in years of using Firefox. I may be forgetting about nags that don't allow themselves to be disabled, but if so, they're infrequent enough that they seem insignificant and obviously non-memorable. Edit: I should add, when I had to have Chro…

> in this case you can check the "Don't show me this message again" checkbox I had literally just installed Firefox minutes ago (inspired by this thread). During the install it asked me if I wanted to make it the default browser, and I had said no. This is what we mean by nagging. Firefox needs to know when to shut up and get out of the way. > you'll have had to endure the burden of responding to this nag just once i…

And Chrome does this too. They want you to know about new features, and they're easy to dismiss.

The only reason Safari doesn't is because they aren't developing it because it's too broken already. So much doesn't work with Safari.

Re: In 2024, please switch to Firefox

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Post by Bjorkbat »

Boxxed wrote: post #510
Bjorkbat wrote: post #479

Funny enough I've been using Firefox as my primary browser for well over a decade, but lately I've struggled to continue letting that remain the case just because of how badly managed Mozilla appears to be. The weird AI website builder thing they released was kind of the straw that broke the camel's back. Besides my many objections to current AI, my bigger issue was that this demonstrated a general lack of focus and…

That seems like an odd reason to not use a browser, especially considering how the company that makes the dominant browser is also a mess.

I mean, mess is a bit subjective in Google's case. Sure, they tend to take on a lot of side-projects only to inevitably abandon them, and they did slip behind in the AI race, but there's a huge difference between "stagnant giant with way too much money" messy and "if our browser market share gets any lower government websites won't support our browser" messy.

Re: In 2024, please switch to Firefox

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Post by r3d0c »

38 wrote: post #610
netbioserror wrote: post #580

The engine monopoly point has been kind of stupid for a while now. Blink is open source. It's a stable target. It's not vendor-locked. There is no problem with it having a monopoly, and I am sure the industry can decide to fork it or start over if the leadership goes absolutely cuckoo. When it comes to good open source projects, we WANT to be converging on that one leading project and ensuring it's the best it can be…

Google is constantly inventing new JS APIs. Some websites adopt those, which then breaks the site for all other browsers. That's good enough reason for everyone to avoid Blink.

> Google is constantly inventing new JS APIs

like what?

Re: In 2024, please switch to Firefox

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Post by gitaarik »

_andrei_ wrote: post #567

Problem is it's not the best browser out there, Chromium is. I wanted to switch to Firefox many times, and while for regular websites it's ok, the performance in more complex web apps simply sucks. And the developer tools are dogsh* compared to Chromium's.

The developer tools are pretty similar in my experience. I think it's maybe just that you're not used to it. And did you know that developer tools like this actually started in Firefox with the Firebug plugin?

Firefox is not slower with more complex web apps, you either have a (site) specific problem or are not judging fairly.

And even if you use Chromium, you are supporting Google's power position in browser technology influence. Which they use to push through web standard that benefit them, but not the users. Firefox has a more open ecosystem that is not focused on the benefit of one particular company.

Re: In 2024, please switch to Firefox

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Post by fsflover »

crazygringo wrote: post #66
Slackwise wrote: post #44

I use PWAs extensively and Firefox decided they won't bother to implement them, so that's going to be a no from me. Rather than wanting the web platform to be first class, they really want it to languish as a second-class citizen. Really sad, seeing as they also fired devs, and invested in "AI" instead.

Indeed: > Firefox and Safari do not support installing PWAs on any desktop operating systems... Chrome and Edge support installing PWAs on Linux, Windows, macOS, and Chromebooks. [1] Any idea what Mozilla's motivation is here? (Apple's at least is easy to understand, even if you disagree.) [1] https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/Progressive_web...

There are workarounds for using Firefox web apps: https://forums.puri.sm/t/firefox-web-apps/21499/

Re: In 2024, please switch to Firefox

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Post by rightbyte »

mock-possum wrote: post #279
htk wrote: post #131

Maybe they wouldn't need people begging to use FF if Mozilla used its money exclusively for the browser and web initiatives, instead of political and ideological projects.

What are some examples that have put you off?

All of them? Mozilla is even worse than the Wikipedia foundation. They are a one trick pony and should just focus on their one trick ...

Re: In 2024, please switch to Firefox

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Post by tslocum »

CharlesW wrote: post #617
tslocum wrote: post #582

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mentioning Gecko repeatedly without mentioning WebRender, the rendering engine that many users are using today in Firefox, and which will become the default/only rendering engine at some point in the future,[0] makes it seem that you have no idea about what you are speaking of. 0. https://wiki.mozilla.org/Platform/GFX/WebRender_Where

Gecko is the browser engine. WebRender is a component of Gecko, specifically a GPU-based 2D rendering engine. It is not a browser engine.

Yes, WebRender makes up the compositor portion of the browser rendering engine. A very large, critical portion of it. Thus, saying "Gecko had a good and honorable run" is disingenuous to the large-scale changes and progress the developers have made (and continue to make) on the rendering engine.

Re: In 2024, please switch to Firefox

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Post by 38 »

r3d0c wrote: post #623
38 wrote: post #610

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google is constantly inventing new JS APIs. Some websites adopt those, which then breaks the site for all other browsers. That's good enough reason for everyone to avoid Blink.

> Google is constantly inventing new JS APIs like what?

http://www.dre.vanderbilt.edu/~schmidt/android/android-4.0/e...

Re: In 2024, please switch to Firefox

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Post by oehpr »

ifightcrime wrote: post #620

I wish I could! I can’t until they have better account/profile switching. I use that on Chrome heavily for test users and debugging.

check out firefox containers. You can launch a specific container as a new tab with the hotkey "Ctrl+shift+#", depending on what you have set.

I have ctrl+shift+1 for personal, 2 for work, 3 for banking.

It's a super rapid way to run multiple contexts in the same window. Really recommend it.

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