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Re: Gemini AI

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freetanga wrote: post #590
dontupvoteme wrote: post #452

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's not wrong. DeepMind spends time solving big scientific / large-scale problems such as those in genetics, material science or weather forecasting, and Google has untouchable resources such as all the books they've scanned (and already won court cases about) They do make OpenAI look like kids in that regard. There is far more to technology than public facing goods/products. It's probably in part due to the cultura…

While you are spot on, I cannot avoid thinking of 1996 or so. On one corner: IBM Deep Blue winning vs Kasparov. A world class giant with huge research experience. On the other corner, Google, a feisty newcomer, 2 years in their life, leveraging the tech to actually make something practical. Is Google the new IBM?

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Re: Gemini AI

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Post by dingnuts »

JCharante wrote: post #589
johnfn wrote: post #444

Very impressive! I noticed two really notable things right off the bat: 1. I asked it a question about a feature that TypeScript doesn't have[1]. GPT4 usually does not recognize that it's impossible (I've tried asking it a bunch of times, it gets it right with like 50% probability) and hallucinates an answer. Gemini correctly says that it's impossible. The impressive thing was that it then linked to the open GitHub i…

> I've never seen GPT4 produce a link, other than when it's in web-browsing mode, which I find to be slower and less accurate. Really? I've been using gpt4 since about April and it used to very often create links for me. I'll tell it hey I want to find a company that does X in Y city and it generates 5 links for me, and at least one of them is usually real and not hallucinated

It's amazing to me how low the bar is for AI to impress people. Really, 80% of the links were hallucinated, and that's somehow more useful than Kagi for [checks notes] finding real links?

Can you imagine if you did a search on Google and 80% of the results weren't even real websites? We'd all still be using AltaVista!

What on earth kind of standard is "1/5 results actually exist!" -- no comment on whether the 1/5 real results is even relevant. My guess: the real links are usually irrelevant.

Re: Gemini AI

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

freetanga wrote: post #590
dontupvoteme wrote: post #452

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's not wrong. DeepMind spends time solving big scientific / large-scale problems such as those in genetics, material science or weather forecasting, and Google has untouchable resources such as all the books they've scanned (and already won court cases about) They do make OpenAI look like kids in that regard. There is far more to technology than public facing goods/products. It's probably in part due to the cultura…

While you are spot on, I cannot avoid thinking of 1996 or so. On one corner: IBM Deep Blue winning vs Kasparov. A world class giant with huge research experience. On the other corner, Google, a feisty newcomer, 2 years in their life, leveraging the tech to actually make something practical. Is Google the new IBM?

OpenAI was at least around in 2017 when YCR HARC was closed down (because...the priority would be OpenAI).

Re: Gemini AI

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Post by riscy »

dfbrown wrote: post #515
milesward wrote: post #136

This demo is nuts: https://youtu.be/UIZAiXYceBI?si=8ELqSinKHdlGlNpX

How real is it though? This blog post says In this post, we’ll explore some of the prompting approaches we used in our Hands on with Gemini demo video. which makes it sound like they used text + image prompts and then acted them out in the video, as opposed to Gemini interpreting the video directly. https://developers.googleblog.com/2023/12/how-its-made-gemin...

After reading this blog post, that hands-on video is just straight-up lying to people. For the boxcar example, the narrator in the video says to Gemini:

> Narrator: "Based on their design, which of these would go faster?"

Without even specifying that those are cars! That was impressive to me, that it recognized the cars are going downhill _and_ could infer that in such a situation, aerodynamics matters. But the blog post says the real prompt was this:

> Real Prompt: "Which of these cars is more aerodynamic? The one on the left or the right? Explain why, using specific visual details."

They narrated inaccurate prompts for the Sun/Saturn/Earth example too:

> Narrator: "Is this the right order?"

> Real Prompt: "Is this the right order? Consider the distance from the sun and explain your reasoning."

If the narrator actually read the _real_ prompts they fed Gemini in these videos, this would not be as impressive at all!

Re: Gemini AI

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Post by spaceman_2020 »

drubio wrote: post #608
spaceman_2020 wrote: post #594

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm legitimately starting to wonder what white collar workers will even do in 5-10 years. This just Year 1 of this stuff going mainstream. Careers are 25-30 years long. What will someone entering the workforce today even be doing in 2035?

I'm wondering the same, but for the narrower white collar subset of tech workers, what will today's UX/UI designer or API developer be doing in 5-10 years.

Once the context window becomes large enough to swallow up the codebase of a small-mid sized company, what do all those IT workers that perform below the 50th percentile in coding tests even do?

HN has a blind spot about this because a lot of people here are in the top %ile of programmers. But the bottom 50th percentile are already being outperformed by GPT-4. Org structures and even GPT-4 availability hasn't caught up, but I can't see any situation where these workers aren't replaced en masse by AI, especially if the AI is 10% of the cost and doesn't come with the "baggage" of dealing with humans.

I don't think our society is prepared.

Re: Gemini AI

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Post by jonplackett »

tikkun wrote: post #60

One observation: Sundar's comments in the main video seem like he's trying to communicate "we've been doing this ai stuff since you (other AI companies) were little babies" - to me this comes off kind of badly, like it's trying too hard to emphasize how long they've been doing AI (which is a weird look when the currently publicly available SOTA model is made by OpenAI, not Google). A better look would simply be to sh…

I find this video really freaky. It’s like Gemini is a baby or very young child and also a massively know it all adult that just can’t help telling how clever it is and showing off its knowledge.

People speak of the uncanny valley in terms of appearance. I am getting this from Gemini. It’s sort of impressive but feels freaky at the same time.

Is it just me?

Re: Gemini AI

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Post by shutupnerd0000 »

dontupvoteme wrote: post #452
tikkun wrote: post #60

One observation: Sundar's comments in the main video seem like he's trying to communicate "we've been doing this ai stuff since you (other AI companies) were little babies" - to me this comes off kind of badly, like it's trying too hard to emphasize how long they've been doing AI (which is a weird look when the currently publicly available SOTA model is made by OpenAI, not Google). A better look would simply be to sh…

He's not wrong. DeepMind spends time solving big scientific / large-scale problems such as those in genetics, material science or weather forecasting, and Google has untouchable resources such as all the books they've scanned (and already won court cases about) They do make OpenAI look like kids in that regard. There is far more to technology than public facing goods/products. It's probably in part due to the cultura…

Nobody said he's wrong. Just that it's a bad look.

Re: Gemini AI

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Post by VikingCoder »

spaceman_2020 wrote: post #594
milesward wrote: post #136

This demo is nuts: https://youtu.be/UIZAiXYceBI?si=8ELqSinKHdlGlNpX

I'm legitimately starting to wonder what white collar workers will even do in 5-10 years. This just Year 1 of this stuff going mainstream. Careers are 25-30 years long. What will someone entering the workforce today even be doing in 2035?

[Guy who draws blue ducks for a living]: DAMNIT!

Re: Gemini AI

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Post by kernal »

dna_polymerase wrote: post #387

Fancy name, fancy website, charts, people cosplaying as Steve Jobs. This is embarrassing. Hey Google, you guys are presenting a LLM that is at best as good as ChatGPT, but you are like a year late to the party. Maybe shut the f*ck up, marketing wise, and just get people to use it. Bard is just bad right now, let Gemini convince people instead of a fancy marketing page.

The fact that OpenAI has an Android and iOS app out right now is just embarrassing for Google. They couldn't even be bothered to write a Bard/Gemini Flutter app.
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